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Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Post by clnq »

IMTDb wrote: post #177
gedy wrote: post #158

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> However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, Please, I've worked on plenty of successful new projects with a distributed team. This in-person bias is largely for people who don't know how to communicate effectively.

Please, I've worked on plenty of successful new projects with a fully onsite team. This remote bias is largely for people who don't know how to behave effectively around other people.

Please, I've worked on plenty of successful projects with a team that only existed in a Schrödinger's office - simultaneously onsite and remote, until observed.

This position and momentum work bias is for those who don't know how to behave effectively in a superposition.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Post by anonzzzies »

jochem9 wrote: post #142
makingstuffs wrote: post #119

Autonomous working has proven to be a game changer for myself and others in my team. I can login and out when I need to (meetings/stand ups I obviously need to factor in) which allows me to take an actual break and go somewhere with my dog when I am feeling bogged down/unproductive. The ability to do this means that, when I return to the desk, I am refreshed and ready to tackle a problem with fresh eyes instead of gl…

The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. If your work can be done in isolation and doesn't require a team to deal with any uncertainty, then by all means work fully remote. However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, then it's going to be more effective to spend time together. I think it's telling that you talk about…

> The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together.

That used to be my feeling as well. As much as I don't like Zuck in general; we hold our meetings in VR and for us there is no (measurable) difference from being in the office for creative work. While we really struggled on Zoom. After I tried a Quest 2, I decided to just get 15 of them for the team and it just works. Your brain (well our brains, guess there are exceptions) forgets you are not actually sitting in a room with your colleagues to the point where you actually try to physically touch them when working. It works very very well. Never setting foot in the office ever again. Don't really mind if Sam Altman thinks differently...

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Post by edandersen »

anonzzzies wrote: post #182
jochem9 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. If your work can be done in isolation and doesn't require a team to deal with any uncertainty, then by all means work fully remote. However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, then it's going to be more effective to spend time together. I think it's telling that you talk about…

> The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. That used to be my feeling as well. As much as I don't like Zuck in general; we hold our meetings in VR and for us there is no (measurable) difference from being in the office for creative work. While we really struggled on Zoom. After I tried a Quest 2, I decided to just get 15 of them for…

Do you physically try to touch your colleagues when together IRL?

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Post by throwoutway »

gmonk wrote: post #88

It's rarely the "makers" saying remote work is a mistake. It's almost always the "managers." >> http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html

The managers I know are also pro-remote and have pro-remote teams. Perhaps VP-level managers Id agree with you

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Post by richbell »

surgical_fire wrote: post #157
jochem9 wrote: post #142

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The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. If your work can be done in isolation and doesn't require a team to deal with any uncertainty, then by all means work fully remote. However, if your work is about innovation and collaboration, then it's going to be more effective to spend time together. I think it's telling that you talk about…

> The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. The article also has no data supporting it. Only feelings. It's very typical for these sort of articles. I am a lot more productive, and even creative working from home, where I have full control of the environment I'm in and not wasting effort on social interactions. Collaboration happens e…

> The article also has no data supporting it. Only feelings. It's very typical for these sort of articles.

My company disbanded its employee productivity research group after they started providing data to the contrary. It's not about facts, it's about forcing the peons to fall in line.

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Post by anonzzzies »

edandersen wrote: post #183
anonzzzies wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The point of the article is that for team work with unclearity you are more creative by working in a physical space together. That used to be my feeling as well. As much as I don't like Zuck in general; we hold our meetings in VR and for us there is no (measurable) difference from being in the office for creative work. While we really struggled on Zoom. After I tried a Quest 2, I decided to just get 15 of them for…

Do you physically try to touch your colleagues when together IRL?

Tap their arm/shoulder to get attention. And also I don’t live in a country where you have to think 5 hours about every human interaction lest you get sued.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Post by mhh__ »

research_pie wrote: post #173

I don’t get that stance of creative work needing to happen in person. Seems like a CEO having a bias for a specific type of work style. Open source development has been running on remote work forever and it’s doing great. The recent article about OpenAI and Google having their lunch eaten by a bunch of remote hobbyist show how this thinking is flawed.

Lunch eaten as in OpenAI massively dominating the space?

I want open source language models to be good and succeed but be realistic.

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