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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by hutzlibu »

vetinari wrote: post #163
hutzlibu wrote: post #69

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"It might be a bit of tinkering" Thats an understatement. I never made suspend-then-hibernate work reliable on linux and I tried it over the years on different systems. So I just had developed the habit of always entering hibernation, if I intend to close the lid for longer. On windows suspend-then-hibernate never failed so far. Drivers are just the crux with linux in too many cases. Not much you can do about it, exc…

Suspend and hibernate are calls into ACPI, so no amount of driver work is going to help, when the firmware is responsible.

You can also reverse engeneer the firmware if you like, but as a matter of fact, it always worked reliable with windows laptops and not one single time with linux for me (open for suggestions of stable hw). And I am not a kernel dev, but I am pretty sure drivers are in general involved with waking up and sleeping as well. There are just lots of things, that can go wrong there. One small bug somewhere can result in blocking the hibernation => result is a drained battery.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by aksss »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #26
consp wrote: post #16

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Many laptops these days only implement s2idle and no proper s3 support which is the main culprit. My lenovo only does a day (at best) in s2idle under linux (windows is worse), when I switched it to s3 it does about 4 days as expected for the amd cpu. Fortunately this has a switch in the bios (which says windows won't work afterwards which is cow manure). You get the added benefit that windows can't phone home when yo…

My X1 Nano Gen 1 has the same switch in EFI. Glad it exists but yeah it’s weird that Lenovo suggests that using it breaks Windows.

I think the idea is that Windows will occasionally not wake up properly, leaving the user to “choke it out” (power button for 5 sec to force a hard shut down, power button to power up). Sorry if you had any unsaved work.

Personally, Hibernate works great, doesn’t require any battery life to sustain it, and always comes back with state intact, so it’s my go to.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by neogodless »

exabrial wrote: post #72

One thing I've learned from running an M1 processor is how much memory bandwidth actually matters for my use case. I don't see this listed anywhere. Anyone have any ideas how this compares to something like an M1?

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-7840u

DDR5-5600 would be 69.21GB/s[0] which is slightly more than the base Apple Silicon M1 (66.67GB/s) but well under the M1 Pro.

M2 has 100GB/s of unified memory bandwidth[1].

[0] https://www.crucial.com/articles/about-memory/everything-abo...

[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022/06/apple-unveils-m2-with...

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by guerby »

systemtest wrote: post #83
antoineMoPa wrote: post #62

I would love if there was an ARM flavour with 10+ hours of battery life under sustained use (like I can get on my M1).

I don't think I will ever purchase an x86 processor anymore. Everything in my home is ARM powered. If Framework switches to ARM I will strongly consider them.

Why not RISC-V?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by miloignis »

bitL wrote: post #167
dcow wrote: post #109

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Can I ask what workloads you’re running where 8TB storage and 64gb ram aren’t enough? On a laptop…

M2 MacBook has 96GB at 14". One can use it to run LLaMA 4-bit instead of 3-bit.

I've run LLaMA 65B 4bit int using llama.cpp on an couple of year old laptop with 64GB of RAM. Not a bunch of extra left, but it does fit!

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by justaj »

taraharris wrote: post #164

Is there any proprietary firmware on these? If this is truly open, I'm excited, otherwise I do not care one bit. (Scrolling down the comments, I am honestly disappointed that I am the only person asking this question. Or does everyone else already know and I'm just out of touch?)

If it's not supported by Libreboot (yet?) then I'm afraid that it won't fit your (and my) criteria of open.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by oldandboring »

estebank wrote: post #96
jeffbee wrote: post #66

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The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

The modern/hardware equivalent of a WinModem.

Oh man. I completely and I mean completely forgot about the Winmodem.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by aksss »

sireat wrote: post #147
sir_eliah wrote: post #136

That's all great, but Framework team, when do you finally extend support for the rest of European countries?

Indeed, I have been on Framework mailing list for 2 years and hate seeing these updates. It seems silly that Framework can't figure some way to ship orders to the rest of EU. No need for specific keyboard, just let us place orders.

Weird, perhaps a regulatory hurdle or different warranty requirements/costs?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by G3rn0ti »

column wrote: post #7

I am puzzled by the lack of keyboard layouts for Switzerland (we have the cash to spend on such novelties!). Also, no DVORAK? Is this for hackers or not? French Canadian $99 English International $99 German $99 US English $99 French $99 British English $99 Clear ANSI $109 Blank ANSI $109 Black ISO $109 Clear ISO $109

Grüezi!

Luxembourg is rich, too, and does not even have its own keyboard layout. Deal with it! ;-) And if you prefer Dvorak why not go for „clear iso“? And what’s up with you people hating „ß“ so much, anyways.

Best regards, a neighbor

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dcow »

candiddevmike wrote: post #145
dcow wrote: post #133

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Lol wut? You want VCs to fund the creation/incubation of a laptop mainboard spec using equity from Framework just to spoon-feed other vendors into competition? I mean it kinda seems like the onus is on new vendors to work off the published specs and and with Framework as interest grows to codify a standard so they can be relevant. I’m sure Framework would love that. It’s really dumb to see people advocating for Frame…

For me, all of their openness kind of falls flat when you realize it's just another locked-in laptop ecosystem... It's great that they publish their specs, but that doesn't mean anything to me if they're the only ones making them.

But they’re not locking you in, while other vendors clearly and deliberately are. Definitely the lesser evil. So even a utilitarian like you would choose Framework, provided all else is equal.

They even promote 3rd party enclosures for the mainboard in this post so you can’t even say they’re not fostering the ecosystem when they can. It’s not incumbent upon Framework to actually provide competition. That’s a competitor's job.

The nuance is that being open is the ”right thing to do”. It’s not fair to criticize Framework for doing the right thing because no competitors have stepped up yet. Or because nobody else has come around yet. It’s fine to comment on the situation and say “effectively I can still only buy a Framework mainboard”. Thats true, of course. But that's in no way Framework’s fault.

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