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Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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It won’t be my interest in saving the planet that stops me from buying cars, it’ll be bullshit like this. I want to own my car. I don’t want it to be connected (beyond acting as a hotspot) to the internet or to some central service. Have we not learned anything?

> I don’t want [my car] to be connected [...] to the internet Really? No remote access, security notifications, navigation facilities? No watching TV while charging? No OTA updates that obviate the need to take it to the dealership for routine fixes? No open source location analytic API? I mean, I'm sure there's some bad stuff that happens too. But this is very much throwing out the baby with the bathwater. I won't t…

IT. IS. A. CAR! It takes you from Point A to Point B! Nobody needs to watch TV in their car! Nobody needs subscription services for heated seats or 0.2s off your 0-60mph time! Nobody needs cameras replacing their sideview mirrors! Get rid off all this bullshit in vehicles.

6-speed manual, adjustable seats, a GPS/nav screen and radio/aux, and a damn cupholder is all anyone needs from a car. Everything else is just a bunch of accessorial crap that usually detracts from the form factor of a functional car.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

Thank you for being a voice of righteousness in a sea of simps. It’s hard to tell on this site, are people really this devoted to corps or are they shills? Even with what you said there are still so many people defending this behavior. The world is full of weak and/or deceitful people.

Simps is a strange choice of words for a post on hackernews.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

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Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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They're charging extra for something that would cost them nothing , deny them the use of nothing , require none of their resources, if you could use it without paying them. I can see an angle for calling that rent-seeking.

Is charging for a feature unlock in a piece of software also rent-seeking? The feature has already been developed, I have already downloaded the software to my device. It would cost the developer nothing , deny them the use of nothing , require none of their resources for me to use the feature and yet they charge for it. How is that different?

This would make more sense as a comparison if adding two or more modes of operation hadn't taken more work than just having one.

I think the "it's rent-seeking" position would be weaker for toggling entire features on and off—the specific example of unlocking better acceleration was them adding a worse mode just so they could charge a subscription for the better one.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

I'd just like to point out that Tesla's performance upgrade, (which is software only) unlocks screens to tune how the drivetrain works. There is a non-trivial amount of engineering that goes into making those features. I suspect that the software that controls the drivetrain requires making non-trivial changes to operate at higher horsepower, too. Is it worth it? I haven't paid the price for it in my Teslas, but it's…

> I'd just like to point out that Tesla's performance upgrade, (which is software only) unlocks screens to tune how the drivetrain works.

No it doesn't unfortunately (I bought it). Elon tweeted years ago the in-app/in-car purchase for the performance increase would get the drivetrain tuning screen that the Performance models have, but it has never shipped.

The feature, similar in concept to Mercedes here, $2000 (one time) "acceleration boost", adds/unlocks ~50hp and reduces 0-60 time to under 4 seconds on the dual motor non-performance model 3s etc, but you don't get any additional screens.

> https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acce...

"Although vehicles with Acceleration Boost have better performance than their Long Range counterparts, they do not include Tesla's Track Mode feature."

"track mode" is the extra screens.

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tram will never come to the farm land. cars seem useful in low-density, very spread out regions.

Sure, but are you are farmer? Suburbs can support great public transit, and it would be cheaper than cars for everyone. Suburbs cannot support the bad public transport options they get though. The lack of density makes it harder to design a great network (network is critical here!), you cannot make mistakes as there is no density to save you from mistakes.

> Suburbs can support great public transit, and it would be cheaper than cars for everyone.

While I agree... there is no way Americans will forgo cars. Americans love our rural and public and wild lands too much to not be able to simply visit at moment's notice.

Having lived in Europe, I understand how this works there. Europeans don't have the same relationship with nature that Americans often do. The ones that do usually have cars.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

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Literally everything I buy on the internet has features unlocked by higher payment plans (Netflix, hosting, ahrefs etc). I don't get the big deal about it. For one, I am happy I can upgrade my car without any mechanical interventions. You get what you pay for when you buy your car. It's their business if it's limited down to meet your package or not. Did they deliver anything else from what you paid for? If the answe…

> You get what you pay for when you buy your car.

Apparently, the irony is totally lost on you.

Re: Mercedes EVs can go faster for $60 a month

#189

I want to see this legislated out of existence. To be clear, because every time this comes up some dickfucks come in here and start making excuses about how it's better to rent in some cases and that this is just amortizing the whole payment, and there are some people who want this: No. This is a fucking terrible deal even just using mercedes numbers. It takes a whopping 30 months (2.5 years) for the monthly payment…

> The average length of new car ownership in the US is between 8 and 11 years

I would wager thats not actually true for Mercedes, they don't last that long before becoming a money pit. If you really want a Mercedes just lease then bail.

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