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Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by mcguire »

glitchc wrote: post #168
dubcanada wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed the memo of the comment. They were referring to the fact that everything ChatGPT is built on is other peoples work. Beyond the actual building of the model details, there is nothing that ChatGPT owns. All the content they use to train, all of the art they use to train. Everything is stolen/used without permission. Obviously there is more to it than that, because you published it on the internet. Bu…

This is an incorrect and unfair statement that would not pass the test in any court of law. ChatGPT uniquely orders information in a way that gives them a competitive advantage in the marketplace. While the source information is public, the ordering of it is proprietary and a trade secret. Your argument is a reductio ad absurdum to "everything is made of atoms and no one ones atoms, ergo no one owns anything."

The source information in public? Copyright isn't a thing anymore?

That's news to me.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by charcircuit »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #161
charcircuit wrote: post #53

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This isn't about exposed credentials though. It would be like an autmatic image uploder that could pick an image hosting site such as imgur and upload the image for you and give you a link. Services are offering the ability to host images for you. You aren't stealing imgur's s3 credentials. They just let any user upload images for free despite the fact it technically costs them money to host the file for you. Similar…

No, the 1:1 analogy you're looking for is realizing someone has a poorly protected api.domain.com endpoint that uploads images to their S3 bucket and then using that to host your own images in their bucket instead of paying for your own. Gpt4free uses API vulnerabilities that ultimately proxy to OpenAI's API with someone else's OpenAI credentials so that you don't have to pay for it. That's the whole gimmick. These A…

>These API endpoints aren't public service open relays which seems to be what you're trying to claim in your analogy:

The whole point of the project is that they are. It's a compilation of public, free APIs that have been found. Those issues you linked are from people who don't understand that it's expensive to run a free relay for a paid service.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by charcircuit »

sreejithr wrote: post #139
charcircuit wrote: post #53

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This isn't about exposed credentials though. It would be like an autmatic image uploder that could pick an image hosting site such as imgur and upload the image for you and give you a link. Services are offering the ability to host images for you. You aren't stealing imgur's s3 credentials. They just let any user upload images for free despite the fact it technically costs them money to host the file for you. Similar…

No service allows you to upload to some other user's Imgur account. The services like the ones you mentioned usually provide a service and do it on the user's behalf to the user's account.

I am talking about not having an account. Anonymous users can call the API and have things done for them.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by IshKebab »

junon wrote: post #62
ziml77 wrote: post #52

It's a project that lets you piggyback off of others' ChatGPT API keys without their permission? If so, then it seems like it would violate both OpenAI's ToS as well as the ToS for any site that is being used as a proxy. And is this a DMCA takedown? It's not actually specified in the readme update and I would have thought that the repo would have been hidden by now if it was one. Plus I'm not sure what they'd be clai…

I mean... I know this isn't legally the same, but OpenAI has sold a repackaged version of all of our data, too.

Just like all the code you write is just code you read elsewhere "repackaged". Ok sometimes you come up with what seems to be novel code, but we all know really you're just a sophisticated pattern matcher and you're just typing out the code you think is best at any given moment, based on everything you've seen and learnt from.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by llamataboot »

glitchc wrote: post #171
conradev wrote: post #35

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Releasing code to use undocumented APIs is speech, and is regulated as such You have to run the code to violate the terms of use, which is primarily used to bar you from the service for misusing it.

If the code in any way includes private API keys, or circumvents protections on another entity's private API keys, then this is intellectual theft and punishable by the law. I'm willing to bet that without those private keys, the repo is worthless.

it doesn't contain private keys, arguably it contains irresponsible disclosures of various ways some large API users can predictably get their keys hijacked

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by llamataboot »

from wrote: post #164
dragonwriter wrote: post #104

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Assuming that those third-party services are ones that the public can access via their own web interfaces, such that the only thing unauthorized is the manner in which the APIs are consumed, this would seem (unless I am missing more specific precedent) to fall out of CFAA coverage as a result of the Van Buren v. United States decision.

I remember seeing "Help: FBI criminally charged me with $6MM loss for hotlinking. I didn't do it" on HN earlier this year ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30589489 ). Was this person lying?

I often wondered what the full story behind that one has as OP never posted in it again and never heard a peep in any sort of media story

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by dcow »

ranger_danger wrote: post #36
dcow wrote: post #26

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Yep. It’s an affinity scam. It has nothing to do with GPT4. IIRC it’s just some model with a GPT-like interface offered for free. Once they change their name to something that isn't trying to catch GPT4’s sails in an completely dishonest and scummy manner, we can discuss it further. To the CrabLang folks,: this is why you care about trademarks. So when someone does this you can protect your project from scammers. EDI…

>this is why you care about trademarks Yes but often FOSS projects and their developers do not have the money or desire to: enforce any trademark or license, apply for the trademark itself, or market the trademark in any meaningful way.

I should have said (to the CrabLang folks): this is why the Rust foundation cares about trademarks.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by dcow »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #22
dcow wrote: post #15

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Go for it, it’s not a GPT4 alternative anyway. Just an confusingly named project that muddies the waters.

It is literally GPT4. This is not the similarly named open source LLM "GPT4All." GPT4Free is an API reverse engineering and proxy project which exposes an API to use GPT4 by proxy through GPT4 based services like the search engine Phind. Essentially you are using the reverse engineered services OpenAI credits to access GPT4 instead of using your own OpenAI account.

Then these services need to model their threats with more sophistication. The existence of this project indicates there are security vulnerabilities in services that use OpenAI. In any case, I maintain that increased attention to this topic is a good thing rather than a bad thing, which is contrary to what GGP was suggesting when they referenced the Streisand effect.

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by mkishi »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #170
bhaney wrote: post #155

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Does "takedown notice" automatically equal "DMCA"? The repo itself and the parent to your comment don't mention DMCA at all.

Hm, good point, I think of "takedown notice" as being about the DMCA, because I never heard that term at all before the DMCA, I think of it as a term of art from DMCA. But people could be using it differently or mis-using it. However, this is on Github. Github specifically has a "DMCA Takedown Policy" [1]. I don't believe they have any other policy or procedure involving a "takedown notice". But sure, I could be wron…

From the submission (the repo's readme):

> We got a takedown request by openai's legal team...

Did Github take a separate action somewhere?

Re: Gpt4free repo given takedown notice by OpenAI

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Post by ChatGTP »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #172
whitepaint wrote: post #110

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Right, so what's the problem with gpt4free then?

They're consuming real electricity and real time on servers that don't belong to them nor do they have permission to use.

Do you see the contradiction here ?

ChatGPT-4 is built on real peoples time.

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