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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by _a_a_a_ »

Varqu wrote: post #65
MadSudaca wrote: post #42

It's funny. Right now I have access to around 5 streaming services while I only pay for 2. My girlfriend's friend has access to Netflix, my sis HBO. I provide access to Disney+ and Prime to my family. I used to get YT premium from my sis's boyfriend, but they detected I'm not in the family household and they kicked me out. If it wasn't because other people use my accounts (and I use theirs), I wouldn't be paying for…

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

What you describe doesn't sound like a free market, which assumes the product is freely available.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by anshorei »

robertlagrant wrote: post #57
mschild wrote: post #33

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Energy prices in Europe are dropping significantly. Spain's pricing is down to 2021 levels again last month. No idea where they host their data in Europe but it's much the same in other European countries. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267552/spain-monthly-wh...

Blimey. $39/mo to access that. Statista gives me a lot less value than a $20/mo Netflix account!

Arguably that $39 offers a lot more value by giving you access to valuable statistics than the $20 that gives you the opportunity to waste some time staring at the tele. And I'm not saying there's no value to entertainment, but there's plenty of more fulfilling things to do when it comes to entertainment.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by rerx »

FrojoS wrote: post #164
ricardobayes wrote: post #96

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The only good one these days seem to be movie rental on youtube. That has the biggest catalog

If your IP is outside the US, say German, then you often don''t get the original audio offered. Piratebay has the best user experience.

It's so weird that they still haven't learned to provide multiple audio tracks and subtitles. I don't know how sizable the portion of the market is that they lose this way, but people like you and me won't ever consider one of Google's services to rent films. Presumably, US-centric decision-making is to blame.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by manmal »

finnish-food wrote: post #104
dmix wrote: post #95

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Is this a serious question? Why am I not buying DVDs on eBay? At least ask why I'm not pirating it 24/7 when I already have an Android box connected to my TV w/ Kodi installed with 3rd party pirate extensions which gives me up-to-date lists of every show/movie available on Netflix/Hulu/Disney/etc (including their trending and genre based lists) with each show being a single click backed via 10 different HTTP pirate s…

I just went under the hood in Plex and changed all the app icons and names to Netflix and my dumb family has no clue still. Just fool the normal people into a better UX.

Are you using Overseerr too? I wonder how discovery would work in your case, if people believe they are already on Netflix.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by rvschuilenburg »

ryan-allen wrote: post #147
moffkalast wrote: post #133

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That sounds complicated, but with today's sponsor - piracy - you can get any content from any subscription service with just a few clicks for the low price of zero dollars. Sharing is caring :)

It's often of poor quality and not in 4k. I rented a movie from YouTube the other day and the stream supported HDR, and if I had a 5.1 surround that would have worked, too! If you're not watching 4 hours of TV per day it's not that expensive to rent content, but I'm saying this from the point of a westerner. For other parts of the world a $5 USD for a movie for 48 hours doesn't make any sense over straight up piracy.

> It's often of poor quality and not in 4k.

This really depends on how good of a pirate you are. If you put in some effort, you'll be watching 4k blu-ray movies in a higher bitrate than streaming services offer.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by manmal »

ryan-allen wrote: post #147
moffkalast wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds complicated, but with today's sponsor - piracy - you can get any content from any subscription service with just a few clicks for the low price of zero dollars. Sharing is caring :)

It's often of poor quality and not in 4k. I rented a movie from YouTube the other day and the stream supported HDR, and if I had a 5.1 surround that would have worked, too! If you're not watching 4 hours of TV per day it's not that expensive to rent content, but I'm saying this from the point of a westerner. For other parts of the world a $5 USD for a movie for 48 hours doesn't make any sense over straight up piracy.

I haven't encountered poor quality recently on usenet. Except for shows that are so old that it doesn't make sense to go higher than 720p. The tooling has also improved greatly and can be automated to the point that getting a whole series is a matter of 2-3 clicks.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by manmal »

rvschuilenburg wrote: post #185
ryan-allen wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often of poor quality and not in 4k. I rented a movie from YouTube the other day and the stream supported HDR, and if I had a 5.1 surround that would have worked, too! If you're not watching 4 hours of TV per day it's not that expensive to rent content, but I'm saying this from the point of a westerner. For other parts of the world a $5 USD for a movie for 48 hours doesn't make any sense over straight up piracy.

> It's often of poor quality and not in 4k. This really depends on how good of a pirate you are. If you put in some effort, you'll be watching 4k blu-ray movies in a higher bitrate than streaming services offer.

Yep. I actually prefer, ahem, sourced content because it looks better even on my iPhone. Apple TV+ is pretty good, but the other services are really stingy with bitrate.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by comfypotato »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #181
Varqu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

What you describe doesn't sound like a free market, which assumes the product is freely available.

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by rerx »

alkonaut wrote: post #50

How do they detect account borrowing? only through simultaneous use? When I pay for the service I expect some low number of simultaneous clients (say 2-4) to be able to stream. Obviously sharing my password means sharing that quota and if the number of concurrent streams is 1 then the password isn't shareable at all. What I don't like though is when there can only be a fixed number of authenticated devices, whether t…

> At that point you need to call customer support to clear your authenticated devices. Hassle.

Yikes, which services require you to call support in such an instance? In my experience you can often kick out old devices right from the new device that you are trying to use (annoying, but manageable).

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by gcatalfamo »

jeroenhd wrote: post #180
gcatalfamo wrote: post #24

From the comments in this thread, many are not understanding that password borrowers are typically contributing to the account owner's monthly subscription, and many account owners, when faced to the full price of the subscription will eventually unsubscribe as well. 5€ month for what Netflix has to offer is one thing, 18€/month, for many, becomes an instant no-deal.

I'm not sure if that's the case necessarily. I'm sharing my account but people aren't sending me money every month to cover expenses. Instead, we pool accounts. If I wanted to, I can get Disney+ and regular TV, while I provide Netflix and Amazon Prime in return. If all else fails, there's a Jellyfin server that gets regular use. Everyone pays full price, but everyone only pays for one service, maybe two. The fragment…

You are also right, it is the scenario I hinted here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35711055

Depending on the service/people sharing with, I personally witnessed both sharing costs of the single service and distributing full ownership among different services...

There are people who want to control all of them while absorbing costs, there are others who just want access.

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