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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Being in the middle Mux wouldn’t be able to offer more substantive changes to the service problem. A neat operational fix to a tough event driven problem.

The root cause here is “sports streaming services are garbage.” Mux can’t do anything about that, and likely their “partners” don’t want to hear it anyway.

Part of me would have preferred to technically sweep this under the rug so nobody who cared would notice or be able to complain about it.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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> If you had asked me two years ago which sport a video startup needs to be most worried about, I would have said American football or basketball ... It wasn’t until I joined Mux that I found out how much people love soccer… This is a pretty terrible, sheltered introduction. He didn't realise that American sports aren't the most popular sports outside of America? He feels the need to tell us that in the intro? Did he…

I don't think that the pitch/field distinction is meaningful (except for cricket, wherein I believe that the pitch is part of the field). For football (all codes thereof), simply use whichever of the two words feels right in your dialect of English.

Wouldn't it affect the classifications if it gets labelled as a pitch but their system isn't checking for that word?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

Yeah I 100% agree. While I DON'T pirate anything, I DO pay for a sh!t ton of services to watch soccer and Cycling. Furthermore, I follow Scottish Soccer, specifically the Glasgow Rangers. So I pay 1. the club for their RangersTV, 2. Paramount+ for their half-ass SPL 'channel' (which btw doesn't show more than 2 games per weak, and rarely even Premier level teams), subscribe (free) to a small Scottish-only-football channel on YouTUbe (PLZ) for news.

On top of that I watch Serie A, Paramount+ has better coverage of this. But then you want to watch UEFA Europa and Champions leagues.

It gets very confusing and very costly.

I don't get why the individual leagues don't get smart and have their own streaming services rather than relying on legacy broadcasting services.

As for Cycling, I am in the same boat with GCN & Peacock. DIdn't know about flobikes so thanks for giving me something else to purchase :)

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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as a UK bloke in the US who supports a non-premier league team (Sunderland, currently in the EFL), i am legit screwed when it comes to wanting to pay to watch my team. it is literally impossible to pay to view while i reside in the USA. i want to pay, but i can't! hulu told me i could bundle EFL with Disney (!) but i was never able to see any Sunderland games on Hulu so i cancelled. EFL streams are hard to find, but…

The games are only viewable in the ESPN app.

I’m pretty sure you can watch almost all EFL Championship games via ESPN Plus. You’ll have to download a different app, it’s not on Hulu,

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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This article could use big improvements in both its tone and organization. People don't have a lot of love for greedy sports broadcasters, and tech people are often associated with a kind of "information wants to be free" ethos (for better or worse), so starting out your blog post with: > identify and take action against soccer pirates and other delinquents who try to stream copyrighted content comes across as pretty…

I wish they explained the cost model more rather than just vaguely mention they had $750,000 in unpaid bills in 2021. How much does one game game/cost them?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cheaper ways to hurt yourself than trying to watch Spurs.

Me: While this is amusing, come on, they're sixth in the Premier League, this is not in any way what a masochistic relationship with a sports team looks like. Also me, Googling: > Tottenham Hotspur's performance against Newcastle United on Sunday was so poor that the club is going to refund those that came out and showed support for the team.

So that result aside, they're not awful but for the money they've put into their team and their stadium (and the raised expectations that has brought) the return on that has been pretty poor domestically and in Europe

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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It's been said that a growing number of individuals are turning to Telegram to stream pirated soccer matches. These streams often have massive viewership, with all of the streaming costs allegedly covered by Pavel Durov. However, it's worth questioning how sustainable this model is, considering that while Pavel is certainly wealthy, it's unclear if he has any incentive to continue footing the bill for illegal soccer streaming infrastructure. What are your thoughts on the future of pirate soccer on Telegram?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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If it's ever broadcast on normal, free-to-watch TV, anywhere in the world, it's fair game in my book to record/restream it. Change my mind.

There's a big difference between a private copy for your own enjoyment and redistributing that on a larger scale. The first one is consuming something you were not meant to consume, with little or no cost to the rights owners. The second on is giving away something that someone else had substantial costs to produce. In my mind it's fair game to record and watch anything, if it's an unencrypted, freely available broad…

Is there? the advertising money already went back to the content producer, everybody got paid.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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post #188

It's been said that a growing number of individuals are turning to Telegram to stream pirated soccer matches. These streams often have massive viewership, with all of the streaming costs allegedly covered by Pavel Durov. However, it's worth questioning how sustainable this model is, considering that while Pavel is certainly wealthy, it's unclear if he has any incentive to continue footing the bill for illegal soccer…

Before the paid/pro plan, Telegram was definitely burning a hole in Durov's wallet, but now without knowing how many people have subscribed to the paid plan, it's really hard to say. How do these pirate streams work on telegram? Are people using video chat to steam through the app or are people just sharing links?
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