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Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

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Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#181
Well,I'm going to send them a subject access request every thirty days for life. I suggest everyone else do the same, and make this expensive.

GDPR is almost certainly engaged here too, as the article states.

I'm angry enough about this to be out for blood now. This is absurd.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#182

A quite overblown article from a company pitching their own "secure phone". They installed a custom OS which apparently includes Qualcomm's indoor positioning service iZat, but is missing the EULA item to allow the user to enable/disable the service. iZat exists for at least 6 years, and the vendors who implemented it usually have a separate checkbox in their startup wizard to allow it to work. Example screenshot aft…

why do you shoot the messenger? yeah they did a bit of advertisement to their phone, who cares. what matters is that now even freaking basic hardware pushes your data wherever they want without asking you. I really wonder if this had been a Chinese company the kind of comments we would have seen here.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#183
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they not? Why do you think that is a reasonable assumption?

Because for Apple, there‘s a financial incentive for keeping the „we care about your privacy“ narrative alive.

What do you do if Apple is violating your privacy? Go to Google?

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#184

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

RISC-V isn't the answer. The state's lawmaking and law enforcing powers are the answer.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#185

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

You have a nice green field in your little town. There is this one guy that notices a gopher every so often and starts panicking and trying to get support to bring some professional to push them out.

Most people don’t walk in the field and have never seen or been bothered about the gopher or his little hole.

So everybody brushes this guy off as paranoid and his fears as exaggerated.

Then one day in your small walk you stumble upon the hole and start panicking yourself and trying to raise the problem.

You are wondering why isn’t everyone outraged by the gophers. Even that guy that used to warn everyone daily about the seems to not care anymore.

Well, it’s not that he doesn’t care. He is tired and defeated.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#186
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me put it into perspective. 1) AFAIK Teslas cannot be driven remotely. But even if they could Tesla is not using cars for errands, like wtf c’mon. And if they wanted to do that and paid me for it, I might be interested in helping the environment. 2) Tesla is able to remotely unlock a vehicle if they verify the owner. This replaces a call to a locksmith and/or the towing company and is way more convenient. So yes,…

On the other hand, Teslas cannot be driven remotely YET. Enabling this functionality is a core goal of the Tesla company. It remains to be seen if it is abused once it actually works. Ford has already applied for patents for cars that will self repossess for example.

Isn't the summon feature exactly that?

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#187
We need some things:

1) laws that enshrine the right of owners/users to circumvent bullshit like this (a right to digital self defense) and that prevent corporations from making it unreasonably difficult to do so.

2) a healthy community of hackers building the kind of contraception we need to protect ourselves from bullshit like this. I don't know what that is when it comes to an SoC, but we need it.

We can't rely on the companies not to do these thing (in fact you can set your watch by it), so we should just focus on protecting the right to route around it.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#188
post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, there is just no foundation to the claim that there is a backdoor in Teslas for their own use . There’s remote unlock and remote software updates, both features that are for my benefit and use. And they don’t come with some naïve backdoor that attackers can exploit. They’re cryptographically secure and don’t expose me to vulnerabilities. There’s a difference between the government legislating obscure and weak bac…

> just no foundation to the claim that there is a backdoor in Teslas for their own use. If it's not for their own use, whose use is it for? It's literally just for their use. They may promise that they won't use that backdoor for purposes that aren't for your benefit, but that's just their promise. And how do they define "for your benefit"? How secure from other attackers that back door is is only one aspect. It's im…

I don't know if we’re arguing semantics or what at this point but it’s not a backdoor if it’s advertised as part of the product that consumers pay for. It’s just a product feature that needs to be secure like any other—frontdoor. If you’re not comfortable with that feature then don’t buy the car. But don’t go spewing certifiable nonsense about how Tesla backdoors your car and steals your personal data for profit. There is nothing in their terms or privacy policy that indicates this is happening, and data collection that could expose PII is opt in. Like research the product before making crazy claims…

It would help me understand your concern if you pointed to the data collection and use thereof that you consider unacceptable.

The way I see it, you’re essentially uncomfortable with Tesla being able to update the software on your system (which is also opt in BTW). Do you feel this way about all products that auto-update?

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#189
post #19

Here is the technical data of what is really going on - it is not sinister, rather these are files needed by the GPS chipset: https://wwws.nightwatchcybersecurity.com/tag/qualcomm/

But it's still sharing personal data over an unencrypted connection. That's pretty much illegal under the GDPR laws.

Re: Smartphones with Qualcomm chip secretly send personal data to Qualcomm

#190

This seems like much bigger news than it's being received as. Sure, other chip makers do sketchy things, but is that really where we're at in 2023? We're so beaten down by proprietary user-disrespecting hardware/software that we just shrug it off? This makes me mad. I'm so sick of this type of thing. It's a horrible time too because the embedded 5G chips are about to be part of everything , sending telemetry back abo…

Outrage is not going to bring about a solution. Either “the gov’mint” has to step in and regulate or consumers have to vote with their wallets. Many of us own iPhones because we choose to trust Apple’s ecosystem over Google’s.
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