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French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by southernplaces7 »

OkayPhysicist wrote: post #32
phnofive wrote: post #2

The legal system in the UK recognizes several rights against self-incrimination, but there is a carve-out for the per se crime of failing to disclose a key to encrypted information - punishable by years in prison. How is this different than refusing to tell where you've buried the bodies? Why should the police be permitted to assume you're guilty and in possession of vital information under certain circumstances?

I can definitely see how instead of viewing a device as an extension of a suspect's mind, you can view it as just another piece of property. If you had a dairy noting where you buried the bodies, or some receipts for your illicit arms deals, locked in a closet somewhere, the cops could reasonably break in and search it, or more relevantly compel you to hand over the key. Now, I definitely prefer the US's stance of a…

I think you meant diary. Unless you really are referring to a dairy farm filled with buried bodies, nourishing all that grass with their putrescence, which then distills into delicious milk for hungry people...

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by vkou »

all2 wrote: post #125
Loughla wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's forgetting that some things are worth fighting for. I think it's that, after a fascist government is ousted via violence, people spend so much time and effort to demonize them, that Joe Blow on the street doesn't see them as 'Us' anymore. We would never make decisions like They made, so We don't have to worry if Our leader is a fascist. Our leader is nothing like Their leader was, other than in abs…

As social creatures, humans tend to defer to authority and go with the flow. Both of these make for disastrous outcomes, depending on the authority deferred to and the direction of the flow. Why did so many turn a blind eye to the Holocaust? Why did so many ignore the Holodomor? Why did no one stand against great evil? Presently, there is debate about whether there is true Evil, as well as some absolute Truth. And if…

> Solzhenitsyn claims that a little resistance would have completely disabled the Russian Communists.

The Russian civil war lasted six years, was a bit more than 'a little resistance', killed ten million people, and it didn't quite achieve the desired effect.

If anything, it grew and encouraged the winners' paranoia, and put them on a permanent war footing.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by 1827162 »

TeaDude wrote: post #164
midoridensha wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scotland really should leave the UK, and then rejoin the EU. They'd be better off.

They also have apecific devolved laws that you can be arrested for illegal speech in your own home and your children can be interrogated about it.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/29/sending-the-thought...

Yes, the Scottish Hate Crime bill. And as expected, they are trying to expand it to cover misogyny. So someone's going to end up serving time for a silly joke they made in a pub.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scots-give-backing-to-mak...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/11/why-misogyny-must-n...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/16/dont-make-misogyny-...

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by andy_ppp »

vkou wrote: post #182
all2 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As social creatures, humans tend to defer to authority and go with the flow. Both of these make for disastrous outcomes, depending on the authority deferred to and the direction of the flow. Why did so many turn a blind eye to the Holocaust? Why did so many ignore the Holodomor? Why did no one stand against great evil? Presently, there is debate about whether there is true Evil, as well as some absolute Truth. And if…

> Solzhenitsyn claims that a little resistance would have completely disabled the Russian Communists. The Russian civil war lasted six years, was a bit more than 'a little resistance', killed ten million people, and it didn't quite achieve the desired effect. If anything, it grew and encouraged the winners' paranoia, and put them on a permanent war footing.

Unlike other autocracies who I find tend to be pretty chill?

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by ta1243 »

sph wrote: post #34
jmclnx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, I was thinking of going there next year, not now.

Well shit, this was my reason not to ever visit the US, but I live in Britain so I'm fucked anyway.

Literally been like this for over 15 years, and people were sent to jail from 2009 onwards because of it

https://www.theregister.com/2009/11/24/ripa_jfl

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by ta1243 »

jmclnx wrote: post #48
sph wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well shit, this was my reason not to ever visit the US, but I live in Britain so I'm fucked anyway.

I wish I could laugh, seems the US, UK and Australia are in a competition to see who can out do each other. What is it with English Speaking Countries ? I guess Canada is OK because of Quebec keeps them sane :)

France and Belgium also have similar laws backed by imprisonment

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by yootyootr »

flangola7 wrote: post #143
kevviiinn wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pass code is randomly generated by a person in the other country and it changes every 15 minutes. You must contact this person to get the code and they cannot be compelled by the laws in your country

How do you set that up on an Android or iOS device?

Use a TOTP for a second factor of authentication and give it to your friend abroad.

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by CogitoCogito »

kergonath wrote: post #4

That is a disgrace. A direct consequence of totalitarian laws. And at the same time, I really want to know the role of the French government. I cannot believe HMG cares whether someone was amongst the hundreds of thousands who demonstrated last week. Why set up such an ambush for a book publisher?

> I really want to know the role of the French government.

Seriously what the hell?

> A French publisher has been arrested on terror charges in London after being questioned by UK police about participating in anti-government protests in France.

> Ernest Moret, 28, a foreign rights manager for Éditions la Fabrique, was approached by two plainclothes officers at St Pancras station on Monday evening after arriving by train from Paris to attend the London book fair.

Why would he even be questioned in the UK for this at all? Did France issue an arrest warrant? If so, then wouldn't the UK just go through the normal process of extradition? What the hell does any of this have to do with the UK?

> “On Tuesday 18 April, the man was subsequently arrested on suspicion of wilfully obstructing a schedule 7 examination, contrary to section 18 of the Terrorism Act 2000.”

So this is just the UK's more eloquent version of America's "arrested for resisting arrest"?

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by ddalex »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #181
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can definitely see how instead of viewing a device as an extension of a suspect's mind, you can view it as just another piece of property. If you had a dairy noting where you buried the bodies, or some receipts for your illicit arms deals, locked in a closet somewhere, the cops could reasonably break in and search it, or more relevantly compel you to hand over the key. Now, I definitely prefer the US's stance of a…

I think you meant diary. Unless you really are referring to a dairy farm filled with buried bodies, nourishing all that grass with their putrescence, which then distills into delicious milk for hungry people...

How many cycles does a molecule of protein need to go through to be acceptable for human consumption?

Re: French publisher arrested in London for refusal to tell police his passcodes

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Post by P_I_Staker »

sdfghswe wrote: post #35
OkayPhysicist wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can definitely see how instead of viewing a device as an extension of a suspect's mind, you can view it as just another piece of property. If you had a dairy noting where you buried the bodies, or some receipts for your illicit arms deals, locked in a closet somewhere, the cops could reasonably break in and search it, or more relevantly compel you to hand over the key. Now, I definitely prefer the US's stance of a…

> Now, I definitely prefer the US's stance of a password being illegal self-discrimination Is that true though? Never heard that before.

btw, I think OP meant incrimination
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