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FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

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Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#181

It really surprised me when this article blew up on Twitter as I thought it was common knowledge to never use public chargers and avoid untrusted usb anything after “bad usb”. It showed me how I live in a tech security bubble-a good reminder.

Getting a phone with a large enough battery (>5000mAh) is good opsec. I have a 10000 mAh battery in my phone, and I only need to charge about twice a week.

What kind of phone do you have?

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#182

Can't the OS have a setting for public charging such that the software can prevent any hardware based shenanigans?

iOS attempts to do this but if we’re following the assumption of such an attack it would just be seen as a step in the chain of the attack. I think the likelihood of an attack via this method is incredibly low personally.

Though I always have a power bank on hand, not for security, but for convenience. Much more preferable to the physical limitations of a wall outlet.

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#183

I don't use public chargers, and I use USB condoms for charging my devices even with chargers I own, because basically all the charging devices are made in untrustable supply chains. I thought this was common knowledge, and basically what everyone is doing. Wireless charging helps a lot with this, and I now prefer wireless charging whenever possible. The only devices I connect my devices to using USB are computers I…

> USB condoms

I have one of these. I like that I can look in it and see that it has no data pins

> Wireless

I know you meant charging, but for data, with some of the spy cables out there with embedded chips and wireless access, it's ironic that wireless is in some ways more secure.

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#184

I don't use public chargers, and I use USB condoms for charging my devices even with chargers I own, because basically all the charging devices are made in untrustable supply chains. I thought this was common knowledge, and basically what everyone is doing. Wireless charging helps a lot with this, and I now prefer wireless charging whenever possible. The only devices I connect my devices to using USB are computers I…

> I thought this was common knowledge, and basically what everyone is doing.

No. Not even close.

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really. Supposed a nefarious group wants to get ahold of an executives phone who always flies out of LAX or goes to a certain mall and uses a public charger. It would be smart to zero day one of those and if a few extra people are exploited, maybe some bonus bank info.

This is typical hacker movie nonsense. In real life, if they want something from said executive they just kidnap him, threaten violence, and he gives them what they want instantly. Or just knock him out cold from behind, take his shit, and crack into it themselves.

There are pros and cons to both approaches.

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

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post #111

It really surprised me when this article blew up on Twitter as I thought it was common knowledge to never use public chargers and avoid untrusted usb anything after “bad usb”. It showed me how I live in a tech security bubble-a good reminder.

Many people, including many people on this site (and, yes, including myself) wouldn't think twice about plugging into an available port if they need a charge. Maybe I don't plug into an unlabeled port in some random location where it doesn't look like it belongs, but honestly I wouldn't think twice about charging at a designated area at a conference. (Though, yeah, I'd avoid a lot of "normal" activities if I ever att…

>(Though, yeah, I'd avoid a lot of "normal" activities if I ever attended BlackHat.)

I wonder whether you‘d take similar precautions on a site named Hacker News

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just go on a trip where you use your GPS a lot and take pictures with your phone and it will last half a day at best.

Why would GPS use more power? It’s only receiving.

When people are using their phone's GPS they typically have the screen on (using maps/navigating etc.) more than usual.

I think most of the drain comes from that rather than the GPS unit itself. But people might say "using my phone's GPS uses a lot of battery."

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people, including many people on this site (and, yes, including myself) wouldn't think twice about plugging into an available port if they need a charge. Maybe I don't plug into an unlabeled port in some random location where it doesn't look like it belongs, but honestly I wouldn't think twice about charging at a designated area at a conference. (Though, yeah, I'd avoid a lot of "normal" activities if I ever att…

>(Though, yeah, I'd avoid a lot of "normal" activities if I ever attended BlackHat.) I wonder whether you‘d take similar precautions on a site named Hacker News

Accessing a known non-sketchy website? No.

Re: FBI is warning people against using public phone-charging stations

#190
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I'v been wondering about the implications of free wifis within airports or such - how much that would be of a worry given you connect only to TLS secured services (and hopefully the phone does it too for every service it connects to in background)

The analogous attack would be, exploiting a bug in the network card or wpa_supplicant. The latter has happened in an airport before.
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