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Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by jacquesm »

capital_guy wrote: post #33

I've just checked it out and it's much closer to a Twitter clone than I anticipated. Now it's clear why Elon made the drastic decision to mess with substack links on Twitter. The site is clean and simple. I'm very disappointed in Musk for essentially ruining one of the world's great information platforms. Mastodon was just not the thing people were looking for. I hope this takes off.

I hope it doesn't. Because it essentially sets us up for a repeat. If Mastodon was 'just not the thing people were looking for' then at least it solves the problems that both Twitter and Substack have, which is that they are not federated. Better to fix Mastodon than to waste another decade on something that will ultimately blow up and with the way Substack has - in my head at least - been associated negatively with crap content it will probably be sooner rather than later.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by emptysongglass »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #150
rcarr wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard disagree with this. The majority don’t care about twitter, the only people who absolutely adore it are journalists and techies which is why it was such a big deal in the news and on forums and everyone in the real world just went about their business. The celebrities are only there for marketing and connecting with the journalists.

I follow mostly techies, very few went to mastodon, and among them were none of the ones I cared about. Seems like the people doing the most things in my field have no time for drama and are busy doing stuff, while the ones that actually accomplish little have the time and energy for this.

Counterpoint: most of the Cloud Native crowd I follow moved to Hachyderm.

> Seems like the people doing the most things in my field have no time for drama and are busy doing stuff,

Standing up for ethics isn't performative drama. I made my exit very quietly because I didn't have time for the drama of a petulant tyrant. I care that the tech I consume is open source or at the very least is guided by some principal of any good kind.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by austincassidy »

charlierguo wrote: post #166

I've been checking out Notes all morning (I write a jargon-free, FOMO-free, AI newsletter). It's kind of a weird product launch? My feed is primarily content that the people I subscribe to post or comment on, but I don't subscribe to that many people. I'm not sure what the average number of subscriptions a Substack user has, but it seems like a very echo-chambery setup right now. As an author there are definitely thi…

Completely agree with this. This is basically the perfect formula for creating mini echo-chambers. If Substack wants to make this a real competitor to Twitter, it needs to have the "two feed" set up that both TikTok and Twitter have: a feed for algorithm-based recommendations and a feed solely for people that the user follows. They also need to make it so that you can follow someone's notes without also following their newsletter.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by pvarangot »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

I think before that you need to get all the fake journalists that just get payed by companies to review their products and say it's awesome for the price. Substack doesn't have those yet.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by jacquesm »

kritiko wrote: post #77

Looking at Notes, I get why Elon is so mad about it. They totally ripped off the Twitter UI. I follow Ed Zitron's Substack, and he is also a prolific Tweeter. He seems to be using Notes the same way he uses Twitter, for shitposting. I'm not sure that's really in line with the tone of Substack.

> they totally ripped off the Twitter UI

I wasn't aware of any IP protection of Twitter's UI, which in one form or another has been done 100's of times.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by throwaway5752 »

phtrivier wrote: post #169

You can now start a timer until they announce that they're going to algorithmically organize the feed of "Notes" because "chronological order is too hard to follow." Then, they will let an Algo organize the feed of articles. Then the ads - no, wait, the "sponsored post - will start popping in, etc, etc... Maybe they won't. I enjoy substack as it is today, and maybe they'll pull it off. But I can't help seing this as…

I doubt that will be the case. The cash cow is subscription, not ads or engagement. The fundamental value proposition for the product is getting more people to pay for subscription content. It has a similar feel for the end user, but that appears to be the only overlap.

No need for a $8 verified button, they can just say how many paying subscribers has as a form of social truth. That is game-able, obviously, but imposes a substantial cost on buying credibility.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by jacquesm »

canadiantim wrote: post #82
ctvo wrote: post #65

I love that it looks identical to Twitter but is orange. I love that it's going to enrage Elon. He's going to realize that he paid 44 billion for something that's going to lose users to Substack's side project.

Elon paid 44 billion for twitter's existing users and wanting to overthrow the censorship regime that was defacto the standard before Elon bought twitter. Thank god Elon bought twitter and made it possible for other social media sites to be more open to free-speech.

That 'censorship regime' (your words, not mine) was doing a very good job compared to the clown running it today.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by g42gregory »

jpmattia wrote: post #115

It wasn't like Twitter's business had a large technical barrier-to-entry. And Musk seems to be pissing away his non-technical barrier-to-entry just about as hard as he can. Good luck to Substack on eating twitter's lunch! Edit: That said, I've found mastodon (@jpmattia@mastodon.mit.edu) to be a much more pleasant interaction compared to twitter, so I'm curious what the landscape looks like in a couple of years.

Well, he is definitely upsetting some (many) people. But, at the same time, he is getting the new set of people as users. In the last few years, I would not touch Twitter with a ten-foot pole. Mostly because, I could no longer assess the provenance of the posts and the authenticity of their rankings. Is this post popular/important or is this post was put into my stream by Twitter/other entities in order to influence me? I don't like being manipulated so brazenly.

Now, with the new management, I find myself going to Twitter more and more often. I disagree with many posts and I do not like many posts, but now, I could have some assurance that I am getting an authentic information.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by lovvtide »

7h3rAm wrote: post #38

Social network must be a protocol, not a platform. That's the only way to gurantee free speech and cencorship resistance. Nostr[1] is proving to be a good first step in this direction. [1] https://nostr.how/

Nostr is the real deal.

I first heard about nostr last in November when Twitter tried to ban it. There's an incredible dev ecosystem developing — so much so that I decided to rebuild Satellite (https://satellite.earth) the social platform I'd been working on to become a client for the protocol.

There's a bunch of other clients too. Someone started a directory here https://www.nostrapps.com/

I'm happy to answer technical questions about nostr if anyone is curious.

Re: Substack Notes Launched

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Post by nemo44x »

riffraff wrote: post #176
nemo44x wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why would mastodon growth be pedo related? Why would anyone in any illegal content space want to have their content federated outside of it ?

https://www.secjuice.com/mastodon-child-porn-pedophiles/
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