Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub • Hacker News Board

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by emi2k01 » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

enriquto wrote: post #163

hayst4ck wrote: post #154

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The flip side is economies of scale. Github can implement code search, credential scanning, malware scanning, or any other number of other things and theoretically, every code repo can get it for free. When everything is centralized, adding a new feature costs k but gives N benefit. When there are M different options adding a new feature costs k * M for N benefit. I don't think it's as black and white as centralizati…

> Github can implement code search Sounds great! When are they going to do it?

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, GitHub recently updated their search feature and it's pretty good.

https://github.com/search/advanced

https://docs.github.com/en/search-github/github-code-search/...

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by 2h » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 11:33 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #180

2h wrote: post #143

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Is this a joke? OSI essentially means only "corporate friendly" licenses are allowed. If someone wants to protect their work under a non-commercial license, they can do that on GitHub but not CodeBerg.

> Is this a joke? OSI essentially means only “corporate friendly” licenses are allowed. If someone wants to protect their work under a non-commercial license, they can do that on GitHub but not CodeBerg. Yes, use-restricted licenses aren’t Free Software. Codeberg is a non-profit that promotes Free Software. Not a joke, just out of mission.

> Yes, use-restricted licenses aren’t Free Software

people always like to come out of the woodwork in these discussion throwing around scary terms. non-commercial licenses are exactly like any other open source license, with that one restriction that it cant be used for commercial purpose. people do this for good reason, to stop companies from making huge profits off the back of free work. so use whatever fancy term you want, but the practice is not defensible.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by silverwind » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 11:44 PM UTC

richardwhiuk wrote: post #148

silverwind wrote: post #93

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Gitlab's design is actually based on BitBucket which came 6 years earlier.

GitLab's design at one point was just a copy and paste of GitHub's entire UI. Their URL design is heavily based on GitHubs. e.g. https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/06... / https://cdn0.tnwcdn.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2014/06...

Interesting history. Seems they were influenced by both.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by commoner » Fri, Apr 07, 2023, 11:54 PM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #166

commoner wrote: post #55

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> I don't want to learn a different UI for contributing to FOSS than the one I use for my daily work. Codeberg is an instance of the FOSS forge platform Forgejo, which is a fork of Gitea. As FOSS projects, Forgejo and Gitea can be used to host any kind of software, proprietary or open source, without restriction. It is entirely possible for a person to use Forgejo/Gitea to contribute to both work projects and off-wor…

They display the code publicly for others to read. The privacy policy has no effect on companies using these repos for the next code-assist plugin

I didn't say that Codeberg's superior privacy policy had anything to do with Copilot. My sentence was listing two separate examples of reasons why a FOSS project would pick Codeberg over GitHub. The differences between Codeberg's and GitHub's approaches to privacy are obvious.

From Codeberg's privacy policy:[1]

> We have a minimum-collection policy. Aside from essential data required to keep the service running, we are not collecting additional user or tracking data.

From GitHub's privacy policy:[2]

> We allow third parties to use analytics cookies to understand how you use our websites so we can make them better. For example, cookies are used to gather information about the pages you visit and how many clicks you need to accomplish a task. We also use some analytics cookies to provide personalized advertising.

> GitHub and third parties use social media cookies to show you ads and content based on your social media profiles and activity on GitHub’s websites. This ensures that the ads and content you see on our websites and on social media will better reflect your interests. This also enables third parties to develop and improve their products, which they may use on websites that are not owned or operated by GitHub.

> In addition, GitHub and third parties use advertising cookies to show you new ads based on ads you've already seen. Cookies also track which ads you click or purchases you make after clicking an ad. This is done both for payment purposes and to show you ads that are more relevant to you. For example, cookies are used to detect when you click an ad and to show you ads based on your social media interests and website browsing history.

[1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/PrivacyPol...

[2] https://docs.github.com/en/site-policy/privacy-policies/gith...

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by dragonwriter » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 12:05 AM UTC

2h wrote: post #182

dragonwriter wrote: post #180

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> Is this a joke? OSI essentially means only “corporate friendly” licenses are allowed. If someone wants to protect their work under a non-commercial license, they can do that on GitHub but not CodeBerg. Yes, use-restricted licenses aren’t Free Software. Codeberg is a non-profit that promotes Free Software. Not a joke, just out of mission.

> Yes, use-restricted licenses aren’t Free Software people always like to come out of the woodwork in these discussion throwing around scary terms. non-commercial licenses are exactly like any other open source license, with that one restriction that it cant be used for commercial purpose. people do this for good reason, to stop companies from making huge profits off the back of free work. so use whatever fancy term…

> people always like to come out of the woodwork in these discussion throwing around scary terms.

There’s no scary terms involved here. Codeberg is a nonprofit foundation with Free software as part of its mission.

> non-commercial licenses are exactly like any other open source license,

non-commercial and other use-restricted licenses are not Open Source (OSI) or Free Software (FSF) licenses.

> people do this for good reason

And that is their right. Just as it is the right of a nonprofit organization whose entire mission is around licensing terms that are not use-restricted not to use their resources to support such software.

People oppose use-restricted licenses for good reason, too.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by virgildotcodes » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 12:28 AM UTC

kelnos wrote: post #165

jackothy wrote: post #50

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Why is his point juvenile? I enjoyed the comparison. Going FOSS only/going vegan can be challenging and limiting, but is arguably the most ethical choice. In the abstract, I see many similarities between the FSF/Codeberg philosophy and vegan philosophy.

It's juvenile because the obvious implication is that making this choice is unnecessarily limiting, and only someone willing to cut off their nose to spite their face would do it. (Maybe my biases are showing, though, and I'm reading too much into that.) Regardless, the analogy only runs skin-deep. There is precious little you have to "give up" if you stop using proprietary software. (Ok, ok, gaming probably takes a…

Someone trying to convince others that FOSS alternatives are just as good does sounds just like a vegan trying to convince meat eaters that vegan alternatives are just as good. Sure, in some cases it can be pretty decent, but it’s undeniable that it is similarly “unnecessarily” limiting. Ask main stream users if they prefer photoshop vs gimp, macOS vs Linux, foss video games vs Fortnite/COD/Minecraft, libera chat vs discord, mastodon vs twitter, etc etc.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by forgotmypw17 » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 12:34 AM UTC

noirscape wrote: post #30

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #13

About 6 months ago, Codeberg removed the repository for the Wikiless project, and IIRC did not offer any explanation to the developer for about 2 weeks. The reason was a Wikimedia Foundation request. Edit: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33101301

There's more to this - Wikiless was an unmodified passthrough proxy that iirc just unloaded a bunch of regular mediawiki JS because the author thought it constituted a privacy violation/they were afraid that for some reason the WMF was tracking them for malicious purposes[0]. On its own, not harmful. That being said, it ran afoul of the WMFs trademarks and was actively confusing people with regular Mediawiki, which i…

I rely on Wikiless for making wikipedia accessible to me. It is not even about privacy, just being able to use the site without obstructions.

The whole project has been broken ever since.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by juunpp » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 12:55 AM UTC

timwaagh wrote: post #92

commoner wrote: post #42

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Services don't need to handle every single use case to be viable alternatives. GitHub does host proprietary software, but it is most well known for being a place to collaborate on free and open source software. Codeberg addresses this primary use case in a more focused way than GitHub intends to, and because of this, Codeberg is an excellent alternative to GitHub.

It's only a great alternative if you believe GitHub deserves to die because it hosts everyone and making proprietary software should be made as difficult as possible. Which is the same as being against people making a living from building and selling software. ie you are against the existence of programming as a profession. In specifically that case this is superior to GitHub.

Github is a great alternative to Codeberg. It is for people who have no problem having a corporation use your code to train a neural network to spit verbatim copies of its inputs stripped of a license. Which is the same as being against people making a living from building and selling software, i.e. you are against the existence of programming as a profession.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by juunpp » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:06 AM UTC

2h wrote: post #150

LambdaComplex wrote: post #146

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> OSI essentially means only "corporate friendly" licenses are allowed The GPL and AGPL are both on the list that you're replying to.

Those both allow commercial use, so you just proved my point.

Considering how corporations are often allergic to the GPL variants, you can consider them non-commercial for most practical purposes.

Re: Codeberg – Fast open source alternative to GitHub

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 08, 2023, 1:13 AM UTC

Matl wrote: post #120

Entinel wrote: post #19

> Our mission is to support the creation and development of Free Software; therefore we only allow repos licensed under an OSI/FSF-approved license. For more details see Licensing article. However, we sometimes tolerate repositories that aren't perfectly licensed and focus on spreading awareness on the topic of improper FLOSS licensing and its issues. If you aren't doing FOSS software and aren't "tolerated" you aren'…

I hate how on Hacker News it's always the corporate, proprietary, market that is cast as the underdog. You know the one who get all the press coverage and has VC money behind it.

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