Is there any chance this we would loose the Way Back Machine or the Live Music Archive because of this?
If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
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#182which made copyrighted books available for free during the COVID-19 pandemic. The publishers behind the lawsuit alleged that this entailed copyright infringement. Along with everybody with two brain cells to rub together. We all screamed "Hey, you idiots are going to ruin everything if you act like the pandemic has magically nullified the concept of copyright" and they fucking did it anyway, and now exactly what we s…
I keep seeing this really bad take repeated on this site in the absence of more nuanced, informed legal opinions. Whether CDL is legal under Fair Use or not was/is legally unresolved. Whether it's legally permissible to copy a printed material and distribute that copy as though it were the printed material was/is unresolved. Lots of organizations have been skating along under one interpretation of Fair Use as a worka…
> Whether it's legally permissible to copy a printed material and distribute that copy as though it were the printed material was/is unresolved.
A lot of IA supporters wish they would have gone about discovering this in a way that protected the actual internet archive. Maybe I don't understand the actual risks to the IA, but it feels like a reckless move.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#183I know the government has viewed certain companies as "too big to fail," because of the negative financial impact we would experience if they were to do so. I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. In the absence of that, anyone who sees high cultural value to the pres…
No profit in that for lobbyists and corporations. They are the only voices that matter in the current system.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't understand the backlash in the comments here, it seems to all come from a perspective of people being so downtrodden they just accept the current status quo crafted by MAFIAA lawyers, rather than looking at it holistically from first-principles. People do not understand that the IA want to go to court as part of their strategy, or else they think they understand what constitutes an effective legal strategy…
If this was a strategy from the IA, it has all but failed, hasn't it? And given that the vast majority predicted it would fail, I wouldn't even call this hindsight being 20/20.
The IA will appeal the outcome of this case. An appeal by one side or the other was probably inevitable.
I don't know as much about the law as the, ahem, "vast majority," but I wonder if the IA will, in the event of a loss, lose anything more than the ability to do something they are found to have done in violation of the law, and some legal fees. I read the decision and saw some reasons for encouragement, but hey... not a lawyer.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#185We need an IA backup project right now :/
How many PB is their entire site? I assume they could enable native read-only rsyncd easily enough on some caching nodes. Anyone re-publishing their library would be at legal risk but private mirrors should be safe.
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> I wonder if there needs to be a cultural equivalent, where a repository of digital or physical artifacts is "too big to fail" because of the negative cultural impact their failure would have. You can wonder all you like, and call me a cynic, but the US runs on money not culture. The American identity is built on money and wealth and excess, not on anything you might describe as "culture". The IA would not "fail" i…
The USA's biggest export is our culture...like it or not. Think of movies, music, etc. Some of it is intangible.
That's not an export, that's propaganda.
That's like saying fiat currency is just as valuable as lithium deposits. It's the hubris of the West.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#187I'd extend this to say, if we don't abolish (c)opywrong, we're screwed. Does anyone want to go back to the closed source software development model of the 1990's? Then why do we not push for the open source model not only in software, but across news, academia, music, film, databases, et cetera? How many of your hard earned tax dollars go to pay for Microsoft's and Oracle's technical debt? How much of your tax dollar…
> I'd extend this to say, if we don't abolish (c)opywrong, we're screwed. Then consider us "screwed," because what you propose has a snowball's chance in hell of actually happening. Also, too many software engineers overreact to some reformable problems with the IP system with burn-it-all down radicalism. I think your proposals would cause more harm than good. They'd likely stop most media creation that you're used t…
> * Tell me, who's going to invest 10-200 million dollars to make a movies or TV shows on a regular basis, without copyright?
We can have a world where:
- Every child has access to humanity's best information
- We cure cancer
- 90% of American's media is controlled by 6,000, not 6, corporations
- College tuition costs drop dramatically
- Lower taxes
- More income equality
- No more opioid pandemics
- Making the world resilient against AI domination
Or a world where:
- We make sure that we don't risk disrupting new Game of Thrones spinoffs
I know what I choose.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#188which made copyrighted books available for free during the COVID-19 pandemic. The publishers behind the lawsuit alleged that this entailed copyright infringement. Along with everybody with two brain cells to rub together. We all screamed "Hey, you idiots are going to ruin everything if you act like the pandemic has magically nullified the concept of copyright" and they fucking did it anyway, and now exactly what we s…
I keep seeing this really bad take repeated on this site in the absence of more nuanced, informed legal opinions. Whether CDL is legal under Fair Use or not was/is legally unresolved. Whether it's legally permissible to copy a printed material and distribute that copy as though it were the printed material was/is unresolved. Lots of organizations have been skating along under one interpretation of Fair Use as a worka…
> Now that it's being tested, the right thing to do is to figure out if CDL is something we as a society want to enable for our libraries or not.
that's a nice idea, but it's hard to see how we as a society have a say.
Re: If we lose the Internet Archive, we’re screwed
#189Is there any chance this we would loose the Way Back Machine or the Live Music Archive because of this?
Does the IA own hardware? If so, I would guess the court could force the sale or transfer of those assets. In another comment somebody posted that the maximum damages could be something like $20 million which seems survivable.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
The IA is the only way to see a lot of what was written and widely read starting in the 1990s onwards. Libraries used to keep archives of old newspapers and publications on microfilm, and anyone who needed to research something could go and look through those archives. The IA holds a similar function today - but it's the only one with its breadth and age. If we lose the IA, we lose a lot of important historical infor…
> Libraries used to keep archives of old newspapers and publications on microfilm, and anyone who needed to research something could go and look through those archives. The IA holds a similar function today - but it's the only one with its breadth and age. Newspapers very frequently maintain and provide public access to their own online archives now. That's also not a function the IA is even especially good at--its c…
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