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Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

deeensta wrote: post #162
atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

“ SFPD will not arrest them because Boudin refused to prosecute.” That’s not how it works. After being arrested, you press charges against them.

After being arrested, you press charges against them

You know, folks get charges without being arrested - and folks get arrested without getting charged. These two aren't actually connected.

It isn't just that, but you - the private citizen - aren't really the one that determines whether or not someone gets charges against them. Sometimes, if you won't testify, they won't follow through. This happens in Domestic violence situations. But other times, they simply don't take the case to court or they take the case to court even if the victim doesn't want it.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by rvz »

atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

> Nothing will change.

What would it take for it to change? Really? It is never too late to change.

But right now, the SF tech travel agents here and in the comments section are going to have a hard time at pitching that the city is 'safe' for them and now have to admit that it has gotten worse.

But maybe we should start with identifying the 'problem' which has something to do with 'who' is running those streets and seeing if there is a patten in other cities in the US...

Once you know, you will find your answer.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

patife wrote: post #132
martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

I see a lot of comments about how it’s gotten terrible recently etc. I’m not from the US, but I’ve been to SF a number on times (>5). The first time was in 2006 for apple WWDC, as a student, and back then I already witnessed a number of people wandering in the streets, mostly passed out or wandering, but I also saw peopoe shouting at the air, and defecating and throwing stuff. At the time I was told this was a legacy…

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Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by soderfoo »

quantified wrote: post #160
atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

Boudin specifically declared in your case he would not prosecute? Did he leave a record of his reason? Or did the SFPD just say he would? SFPD went on holiday to make him look bad, so the difference is important.

In a broader sense, and without delving in to politics, administrative and resource constraints require District Attorneys to set priorities and guidelines to determine which matters to pursue. It is an ugly side of the criminal justice system I witnessed firsthand.

DA's have a budget and a limited number of assistant attorneys. They have to manage their office's caseload, and keep cases they do pursue moving through the pipeline. Even then, they must compete with the priorities of the judiciary and individual judges to reduce their caseload and keep cases moving.

It was not uncommon for judges to periodically advise prosecutors, public defenders and other key defense attorneys to convene a forum for the expeditious resolution of cases (essentially a fire sale with lots of bartering) to lessen their load and improve their KPIs.

So I think it is fair to say, Chesa Boudin, in his capacity as managing attorney responsible for setting his office's prosecutorial discretion policy, refused to prosecute the case. No different from any other prosecutorial discretion decisions made by countless prosecutors around the country daily.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by DoreenMichele »

martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

1. Due to the temperate weather, California has largely become the dumping ground for America's chronic homeless. This is rooted in longstanding housing policies causing a shortfall of affordable housing nationwide.

2. On top of that, California has additional broken tax policies and other policies that deepen the shortage of affordable housing.

3. Big cities are where the services are, such as soup kitchens. If you are homeless in the US and have nothing, going to the nearest big city is your best bet for trying to eat regularly.

4. California and big cities are both expensive. Once you go to California as a homeless person or the big city as a homeless person, it's quite hard to get off the street because housing is so expensive.

5. Being LGBTQ puts one at high risk of being homeless due to homophobia. San Francisco has a reputation for being more LGBTQ-friendly than average even for a big city.

So you have desperate people hearing high-minded nonsense that lures them into a bad situation and we aren't really dealing effectively with such issues generally, so we aren't giving people real solutions. Desperate, hopeless people with no options is not a good population type to foster the growth of if you value a civilized social climate.

/2 cents

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by x-complexity »

threatofrain wrote: post #115
martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

SF homicide rate is close to the national average.

> SF homicide rate is close to the national average.

That is in of itself not alarming. An average city would have an average homicide rate: That's what averages are. It's only alarming if the city has (a) one of the lowest homicide rates nationally, or (b) one of the highest homicide rates nationally. Being average just means that it's the middle of the pack.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by nordsieck »

deeensta wrote: post #162
atdrummond wrote: post #158

Nothing will change. I was attacked in Christmas ‘21 in the Tenderloin, right after walking out of the KFC/Taco Bell on Eddy. Two cop cars drove by me and did nothing. It was only due to an ambulance finishing a run at Sutter and spotting me that I didn’t bleed out on the suitcase. I have video, proof of damages physical and financial, eyewitnesses and the info of the men who attacked me. SFPD will not arrest them be…

“ SFPD will not arrest them because Boudin refused to prosecute.” That’s not how it works. After being arrested, you press charges against them.

> That’s not how it works. After being arrested, you press charges against them.

That's not how it works.

You, as a private citizen, can't "press charges". The DA presses charges. And they have (so far, according to OP) declined to do so.

In colloquial terms, "press charges" means 2 separate things:

1. File a civil suit. Doesn't really work if the offenders are indigent.

2. Agree to cooperate with a criminial investigation. Can't do this if the DA won't initiate one in the first place.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

I'd summarize it as BS.

This will receive howls of disapproval. It's so obvious, like climate change being fake and Trump secretly battling a cabal of pedo vaccine-peddling warmongers. How could you possibly believe something different?

But I've heard similar about Chicago, Paris and Bradford.

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/07/29/trump-chicago-g...

> Conservative media for decades have painted America’s third-largest city as a national hub of gun violence and gang activity, crippled by what they see as political correctness thwarting real solutions.

https://blog.geographydirections.com/2015/02/02/fox-news-no-...

> Emerson stated, “In Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go… In parts of London, there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn’t dress according to religious Muslim attire.”

>These segments were widely mocked across social media and the station eventually issued an apology, stating that there was “no credible information to support the assertion”.

As a European you just have to look at all the claims of how "communist" California is to get an idea how detached from reality these people are.

Re: Bob Lee, former CTO of Square, has died after being stabbed in San Francisco

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Post by chockablock »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #185
martin_a wrote: post #103

Can someone very briefly wrap this whole "SF is broken"-situation up for somebody from Europe? I only ever read that it's "because of the policies" and there are lots of rather disturbing videos about SF making its rounds on YouTube. But what exactly happened? Did they just remove all the police? Did they gave out free drugs to everybody? I'm not interested in blaming political parties, I just want to get a quick gra…

1. Due to the temperate weather, California has largely become the dumping ground for America's chronic homeless. This is rooted in longstanding housing policies causing a shortfall of affordable housing nationwide. 2. On top of that, California has additional broken tax policies and other policies that deepen the shortage of affordable housing. 3. Big cities are where the services are, such as soup kitchens. If you…

The narrative that most homeless people in SF come there from other places is contradicted by data. In annual surveys, ~70+% of people who are homeless in SF lived in SF when they became homeless.

https://sfstandard.com/public-health/latino-homelessness-sur...

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