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> non-existent risk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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#183The comments are pretty hard to read here given that any comment not cheering this on is immediately downvoted to death. Many are legitimate comments - I see why some might disagree with them but it’s not even possible to learn from them if they are silenced.
I'd normally agree with you, but we're in a situation right now where Russia is waging a brutal war of aggression that has already killed more people than the US did in Afghanistan over 20 years (which, to be clear, is a war we never should have started). That same Russia has a well-developed propaganda arm that has been very active since long before the war in trying to draw favorable comparisons between their behavior and the US's. In this context, I'll take the potentially-unearned downvotes over letting Russian propaganda have its say.
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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> Wouldn't it be smarter to actually listen to what Russia is trying to say? No. Nobody should care what Russia has to say about another country voluntarily wanting to (and joining) NATO > the irony is that the expansion of NATO gives the US ability to force its will upon NATO members and its neighbors All NATO members joined voluntarily. None of your business. > the ambitions are not different from the ambitions of…
> No. Nobody should care what Russia has to say about another country voluntarily wanting to (and joining) NATO I'm sorry, but Russia's concern is not out of thin air - you can only join NATO if your membership is not a threat to your border countries. This is one of the rules of NATO itself.
Russia's concern is they will not be able to invade former Soviet countries if they join NATO, which gets in the way of their imperial ambitions. NATO is not going to invade Russia.
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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The problem there is that you (and Putin) are viewing NATO's expansion as a curtailing of "Russia's sovereignty". Doing this probably means you take the view that the Spheres of Influence concept was correct: big blocs (Russia, China, US, EU) have an area of political/military/ideological influence that extends past their physical borders, and any other country exerting influence over the countries within those bound…
I agree spheres of influence is a worrying idea. But couldn’t you argue the same thing is happening to Ukraine under a US sphere of influence? Isn’t that bad too?
Ukrainians want to be a part of free world with so much that civilians fought traitor snipers with homemade shields, with 0 US or NATO troops supporting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzI9V3WSnc
On the other side, to have any claim that anyone wants to be a part of russia is to literally invade them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrain...
or send FSB colonel to command russian "volunteers" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin
Here's said war criminal admitting there was near zero support for russian annexation on the ground: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcCqrzctxH4
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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Their actions speak pretty loudly. I’m asking, what is Russia trying to say?
> I’m asking, what is Russia trying to say? Stop the expansion. Watch the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ58Yv6kP44
It sounds like these other countries have listened…
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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Their actions speak pretty loudly. I’m asking, what is Russia trying to say?
> I’m asking, what is Russia trying to say? Stop the expansion. Watch the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ58Yv6kP44
Yes, dear Eastern Europe, please don't join NATO, otherwise we won't be able to invade you once we finish modernizing our army. After all we are a master race destined by God to rule over Eastern Europe. Please respect our concerns.
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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How many NATO countries has Russia attacked in the history of NATO? How many non-NATO countries? Moreover, Finland’s military and diplomatic bureaucracy was already well-integrated into NATO, so there isn’t a _lot_ of additional organization (at least as far as these things go).
>How many NATO countries has Russia attacked in the history of NATO? How many non-NATO countries?
How many countries has America/NATO attacked in the history of NATO?
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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Neither Finland or Poland are considered Baltic states in the normal sense of the words.
Your parsing it all wrong. Russia has land that rightfully belongs to Poland, Finland - and - the Baltic states.
What land, Smolensk? Nobody wants any russian land, let russians pickle themselves in their little hell.
Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO
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> Hence there is a backdoor deal between both faction to let the war progress at a very slow pace. And your source is?
It's a funny jump of logic a lot of people make. Sometimes people profit off of war, therefore all wars are secretly arranged by a cabal of war profiteers in back room deals. There's lots of variations but there's often a core true statement that is then used to leap to wild theories without any evidence.
I find it most ridiculous because ultimately war is hugely, hugely expensive. It doesn't make much sense.