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UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by mr_mitm »

superhuzza wrote: post #163
camillomiller wrote: post #55

In Berlin at BER I had someone from security straight up tell me that water being sold at a premium after security, with a profit for the airport shops that pay hefty rents, is the only reason for keeping up the 100ml liquids rule. That was a heated discussion point for a while, since the airport had to stop people from drinking tap water inside because of an e.coli infestation in the water system of the airport. We'…

"In Berlin at BER I had someone from security straight up tell me that water being sold at a premium after security, with a profit for the airport shops that pay hefty rents, is the only reason for keeping up the 100ml liquids rule." This logic kind of falls apart when you think about it for a minute and: 1. Most airports have water fountains 2. Food and snacks are allowed through security. If it's all a conspiracy t…

> 1. Most airports have water fountains

Not in Germany

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by msm_ »

phantomathkg wrote: post #70
elthran wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh, don't remind me of Singapore. Transferring after a flight from London, I see a water bottle refill fountain, which I use. We're running late, so I head straight to the gate...and then have to immediately dispose of my newly filled 2L water bottle. I've never known another airport to have this security setup, and as a massive transit hub, I really can't make sense of why they chose to put it at that point - but t…

I think the reason is, like you said, it is a transit hub. So passenger flying out of Singapore can mix with people in transit. Therefore, putting the scanner before boarding prevent a possible terrorist attack when someone smuggle in explosive or what not from Singapore or from transit flight.

This is not how it works in most of the world. Usually you don't have to go through security when you transit, only when you arrive at the airport. The only time when I had a second security screening during transit was in the US.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by hammock »

grecy wrote: post #171
deegles wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to throw away my nice Leatherman Micra (because of the tiny blade) at an airport because I forgot it was in my carry on, only to sit at a restaurant next to the gate and be given a full size serrated steak knife with my meal...

If you have time, you can go backwards out to the regular airport and mail yourself anything you don't want to throw away.

...if you have time, if there is a shipping center in the airport, if it's open, and if the cost of materials and shipping is worth the $35 Leatherman...Might even be the same cost to check it vs ship it at that point.

The first I went through TSA with an avalanche probe and collapsible shovel, they didn't stop me, so I thought it was allowed. On the way back they did and I had to rush check it

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by vlovich123 »

meghan_rain wrote: post #20
dtech wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term you're looking for is security theatre

Right, but to their defense, there have not been 9/11 attacks or anything remotely similar since 9/11... so either it was all fake anyways or the security theater also deters potential low IQ attackers?

My snark aside, you’re missing a totally other reasonable explanation. Prior to 9/11 hijackings were relatively safe affairs. They would land and negotiate for money / demands and release passengers unharmed. So sitting passively was the safest approach, Post 9/11 the cockpit is completely locked down (regulatory requirement for flights to/from US) and passengers know that any hijacking might be a suicide attacker and thus won’t sit passively. See underwear and shoe bombers as examples where bomb materials got through security but passengers subdued the attacker. That’s why US Marshals stopped flying. Attacks are too rare to warrant meaningful useful security on even a small fraction of flights.

Now arguably those were international flights into the US. You could argue that security was lax abroad but generally TSA regulations and technical requirements apply to security screenings for inbound flights so there’s not any particular reason to believe that the TSA would have done a better job.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by kurtoid »

cromulent wrote: post #110

There's a photo of the new 3d scanners here (they remind me of a jet engine). https://www.finavia.fi/en/newsroom/2022/new-technology-makes...

if you can get a peek at the computer monitors, do so. It has a volumetric/point cloud of scanned objects that they can pan, rotate, slice, and filter.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by pelagicAustral »

ShinzonRemus wrote: post #54

Rome Fiumicino Airport has these scanners since 1y or so. Very handy, the queue is almost non existent.

Vouch. I was there two months ago and it was the fastest immigration of any airport I've been through... and I was coming from country from northern Africa.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by orangepurple »

Grimburger wrote: post #37
0xDEF wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were dozens of terror attacks against air travel in the 80s and 90s. The global post-9/11 "security theater" did make flying in the developing world much safer.

There's been dozens of hijackings since 9/11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings#20...

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, hijackings occurred, on average, once every five days globally.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/a-brief-history-of-ai...

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by rootusrootus »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #56
locallost wrote: post #12

I flew yesterday and in the plane realized I had some water from my daughter in the backpack. It was scanned and missed of course. And why wouldn't they miss it, it's a waste of time anyway. But at least they harassed a 3-year old to stand in a certain way to get scanned and fail at it. Unrelated, but I've come to believe it's a form of social welfare. So much policing for nothing, not just airports, wars on drugs et…

It may be a sample size of one and whatnot, but as a European, the best security experience I've had has been in the US (LAX), by far. In my neck of the woods, I have to take out basically everything from my carry-on. Laptop, camera, lenses, you name it, they want it out. Phone, keys, ditto. They usually ask for the belt to come out, too, and sometimes even the shoes. And this is even for internal flights. LAX, by co…

Normal TSA is shoes-off, belt-off, laptops and electronics in a separate bin. What you experienced sounds more like TSA Pre-Check.

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by chr-s »

actionfromafar wrote: post #154
deegles wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to throw away my nice Leatherman Micra (because of the tiny blade) at an airport because I forgot it was in my carry on, only to sit at a restaurant next to the gate and be given a full size serrated steak knife with my meal...

There was a (Wired?) article about what kinds of weapons one could build from things available to buy after the gates.

I believe this is the original talk from treefort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8xUsYo8IE

Re: UK airport scraps 100ml liquid rule with new scanners

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Post by [deleted] »

hammock wrote: post #183
grecy wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have time, you can go backwards out to the regular airport and mail yourself anything you don't want to throw away.

...if you have time, if there is a shipping center in the airport, if it's open, and if the cost of materials and shipping is worth the $35 Leatherman...Might even be the same cost to check it vs ship it at that point. The first I went through TSA with an avalanche probe and collapsible shovel, they didn't stop me, so I thought it was allowed. On the way back they did and I had to rush check it

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