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Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by rationalist »

bsuvc wrote: post #84

Hacker News is better without unrelated political news.

If it's discussions about how X person is bad and Y person is good, then I would agree (even if I dislike X and like Y). If it's a meta discussion about the judicial process or such, then I would disagree.

Edit: The comments above yours (at the time of writing) are mostly okay, but as I read further down, it ventures into the territory of 'such and such person and party is bad' which I think HN is not a good place for that kind of discord.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by djha-skin »

dirck wrote: post #178
djha-skin wrote: post #114

To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them. To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donal…

The defense gets to voir dire the jury. There were still millions of votes for Trump in NY and many that didn't vote at all.

A fair point.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by jeffbee »

djha-skin wrote: post #114

To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them. To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donal…

"Everyone in my home town knows and hates me" is one hell of an argument.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by dogma1138 »

arcticbull wrote: post #162
plandis wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope the US doesn’t agree to give up full sovereignty of its judicial process.

> The seven countries that voted against the treaty were Iraq, Israel, Libya, China, Qatar, Yemen, and the United States. Not a great look.

“In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.”

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by talkingtab »

We are a people who have decided to be governed by laws rather than kings, or religions or dictators or putins. The laws applies to all the people equally. Everyone is entitled to a jury. A jury of peers decides. That is who we are. That is what a democracy is.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

mbgerring wrote: post #55

Nearly the entire point of the United States at its founding was that the law should apply to political leaders. We are overdue for setting the precedent of a former President being charged with a crime, and we ought to go back and charge a few other former Presidents with crimes while we’re at it.

Just need a mental gut check after reading this comment. Do people not think this is political?

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by hindsightbias »

djha-skin wrote: post #114

To play devil's advocate a little bit. From a structural perspective, it was pretty much impossible for the courts to recruit any jury that wouldn't be biased. Furthermore, the case was in New York, which is a very democratic city. I would be surprised if any jury picked from there wasn't biased and wouldn't have convicted him of any crime the judge put in front of them. To be perfectly clear, I am not a fan of Donal…

The Donald was very popular with the blue collar in NYC back in the day.

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by umvi »

webdood90 wrote: post #168
at_a_remove wrote: post #110

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I don't understand how anyone can justify this perspective. If a crime is committed, there should be consequences. I don't care who it is or what their status is. Instead of accepting it as status-quo, we should be going after everyone at every level, even more fiercely towards politicians.

It's like the political equivalent of digging through someone's comment history on social media, looking for something that can be weaponized to cancel them.

If power balances shift slightly I'm sure the new regime will be able to find a crime Biden committed and indict him for it. And so on and so forth with revenge indictments everytime power shifts to the other party

Re: Grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump

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Post by speakfreely »

plandis wrote: post #109
koolba wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure if there’s an actual crime, but what exactly is worthy of charging here? The point of a fair justice system is not to charge a specific someone with something , it’s to go after a specific crime. The legal gymnastics this DA is jumping through to attach charges here makes a joke of the entire justice system. I won’t be surprise if Bragg is disbarred for this.

Do you have access to the case including evidence? The jury did and voted to indict, how can you be sure that this is legal gymnastics?

The grand jury system is a bit of a joke. You've seen how badly prosecutors twist facts and inaccurately frame things during cases. The grand jury is basically that except without anyone disputing anything they say. Only the most inept prosecutors don't get the indictments they want.
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