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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by secabeen »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

They are spending their time on this because they know that with a divided Senate and House, there is no bill that will pass without extensive negotiation behind closed doors. While that happens, something has to happen on the floor of the house and senate, so they debate stuff like this, which might get traction, or might not.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by withinboredom »

nbar1 wrote: post #168
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

"might be" is not the concern, it's that they are.

My son's cousin (who lives in the US) was talking to him about 'gun drills' and my son asked, 'what is that, do you get to practice shooting a gun? That sounds fun!'

To us, this was a funny question, to my sister-in-law ... she was like 'wtaf.' I can't imagine having my son worried about that kind of stuff and I can't imagine the internal stress. That's why I said 'might' because it 'might' be normalized to the point that it's just background noise; a joke. Until it isn't.

My son and his friends run around in the streets like when I was a kid; they don't stop until the street lights come on. I could never take that away from him, and I feel like if we were to move back to the US, I would be doing that.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by threeseed »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

a) The government can do more than one thing at a time.

b) There is zero appetite from the GOP for gun control. Until that changes the status quo persists.

c) Information about US citizens (which can be used to manipulate them) being handed over to the Chinese government is something that the government should be concerned about.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by boshalfoshal »

ReptileMan wrote: post #39

How do you square this circle with the first amendment?

Theres a fair precedent if you use the clear and present danger doctrine.

Not that I agree that it is actually an immediate threat to US national security, but anti-TikTok pundits claim it is and can spin their argument that way. Its not unreasonable following that premise.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by nbar1 »

withinboredom wrote: post #182
nbar1 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"might be" is not the concern, it's that they are.

My son's cousin (who lives in the US) was talking to him about 'gun drills' and my son asked, 'what is that, do you get to practice shooting a gun? That sounds fun!' To us, this was a funny question, to my sister-in-law ... she was like 'wtaf.' I can't imagine having my son worried about that kind of stuff and I can't imagine the internal stress. That's why I said 'might' because it 'might' be normalized to the point…

That has nothing to do with TikTok.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by hitpointdrew »

quasarj wrote: post #180
hitpointdrew wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's MUCH WORSE than the Patriot act. This bill is absolutely horrific. And calling it at bill to "ban TikTok" is extremely disingenuous as it egregiously goes well beyond that.

We need a good breakdown of it. I read it, but don't think I really understood.

Jeremy Hambly does a decent job breaking parts of it down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AynjtnJG8

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by withinboredom »

threeseed wrote: post #183
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

a) The government can do more than one thing at a time. b) There is zero appetite from the GOP for gun control. Until that changes the status quo persists. c) Information about US citizens (which can be used to manipulate them) being handed over to the Chinese government is something that the government should be concerned about.

I mean, you can buy that information for 'practically free' (amortized per person), you don't need an app for that.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by korroziya »

withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by chimeracoder »

stronglikedan wrote: post #177
gretch wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the concern of the bill is and it's completely transparent. Just read the first 2 pages of the bill and you can see the concern is, in the words of the bill, a "foreign adversary" and their ability to "sabotage or subversion of the design, integrity, manufacturing, production, distribution, installation, operation, or maintenance of information and communications technology products and services in th…

I don't think it's specifically China. I think it's retribution because ByteDance won't open US offices and be beholden to the US government like other large corporations do. I think this is the US gov using them as an example of what happens when a corporation such as this dares not fall in line.

> I don't think it's specifically China. I think it's retribution because ByteDance won't open US offices and be beholden to the US government like other large corporations do. I think this is the US gov using them as an example of what happens when a corporation such as this dares not fall in line.

The bill affects multiple countries, not just China.

In fact, it encompasses "any foreign government or regime, determined by the Secretary [to be]... significantly adverse to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of United States persons"

Depending on how much (or little) you trust the Secretary of Commerce, that's incredibly far-reaching and could easily be abused.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #73

While I don't personally mind banning Tik Toc since I think that it is a drain on our culture and is likely addictive, I do have serious concerns: Why nothing about US media companies pushing advertising based on data that really should be protected by privacy laws? Why nothing about the material released from Twitter by Matt Taibi, et. al.? Very concerning stuff for a country talking the talk about democracy. Why no…

> Why nothing about US media companies pushing advertising based on data that really should be protected by privacy laws?

Privacy is not the major concern here.

> Why nothing about the material released from Twitter by Matt Taibi, et. al.? Very concerning stuff for a country talking the talk about democracy.

Twitter is subject to the US courts and legal system and while there are issue we can work to resolve them.

> Why not enforce limits on what kids can watch and for how long, as China does? While I am all for free speech and liberty for adults, I think it is necessary for parents to put some guardrails on their kids.

Again not the issue.

Seriously, read at-least the start of the bill it makes it very very clear the main concern is limiting foreign powers ability to mass influence the general USA population.

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