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Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by winternett »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #34
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into the minds of these people? Why do they think this is at all acceptable?

Many apps have become user hostile in the past years, including social media and even our software-driven vehicles...

It's a very stressful thing to deal with, and congress does nothing to stop it because they're too busy trading stock investment info for insider profit...

We are not totally powerless though, hacking and warez are on the rise again, lots of people are declining updates, and even returning to older software versions, and nothing has ever stopped us from creating a good old-fashioned picket line in front of Microsoft HQ, or any other predatory software making company for that matter.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by midoridensha »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #34
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

It also infuriates me that they won't let you actually say no. It's always "remind me later" or "skip for now" or "try again in 3 days". What has gotten into the minds of these people? Why do they think this is at all acceptable?

I don't see why it's "not acceptable" at all. Why shouldn't they treat users this way? They can make more money with all these annoyances, and the people who hate it are just going to complain on internet forums and keep using Windows anyway. Seems like a good business strategy to me. Any time a business is in a position where they can abuse their customers endlessly and the customers will refuse to leave, it would be a breach of fiduciary duty not to abuse them for more profit.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by midoridensha »

falcolas wrote: post #146
reaperducer wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Each one of those ads is a free ad for Apple and Linux. “If you had Apple, you wouldn’t have to endure this!” In an ideal world, it would push people toward real life. "Another ad on my computer? I don't need to Candy Crush that bad. I'll go outside."

Outside is boring and, compared to pc gaming, expensive. You have to drive to get anywhere interesting (expensive), there are parking and entrance and camping fees, tourists, and the view is mostly the same as the last twelve times. Sports leagues are expensive, time consuming, and prone to serious injuries you’ll be feeling for decades (and expensive too). And then there’s the short and long term costs associated wi…

>You have to drive to get anywhere interesting (expensive)

Only in America. Thankfully, 95% of the world's population lives somewhere else.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by midoridensha »

damnesian wrote: post #83
AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

Perhaps require acknowledging an ad to open or save a document? With full OS integration and demonstrated willingness to expose any user to advertising, the possibilities are numerous.

They should require users to watch several ads, and then pass a quiz asking about things in the ads, before saving a document.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by Foobar8568 »

binkHN wrote: post #135
pianoben wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, a ton of people inside of MSFT are opposed to these changes. The few responsible for them are answering to overwhelming pressure from the Finance side. Every time something like this ships out, guaranteed just about every CVP fields angry/annoyed/exasperated complaints about it.

Longtime Windows users here—migrating away because the OS has become a marketing tool instead of the productivity behemoth that it once was. Yes, there are still TONS OF THINGS THAT WINDOWS DOES BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER OS, but what Windows is becoming is causing me to overlook this. The next step for me here will be migrating clients off of Windows on their machines too.

I fully switched to a fedora because of these ads, I don't really watch news, yet there were some in my home menu. The other one was the forced bottom Taskbar, I have tried, surely I handle it for longer than I originally thought, but screw that.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by iotku »

layer8 wrote: post #167
the8472 wrote: post #113

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The Windows 10 for business installs at $work seem to be clean. I don't know if that's IT's doing or that's the default. So this could be a classic "if you're not paying for it you're the product" issue

The problem is that Windows Enterprise isn't sold to individual users (and if it did, you'd still have to run a domain controller on Windows Server alongside it). Windows Professional still gets most of the same crappy behavior as Home.

If you have access to an Education edition key it's about as close as you can get legitimately to Enterprise.

I dare to say it's almost pleasant to use after a few Group policy tweaks (disable web search , telemetry, and widgets). No preinstalled Candy Crush either. Can run a local account without too much hassle but the Microsoft store is far more aggressive to make you login in 11 than 10 even for Education.

Honestly it's the only thing keeping me on Windows, but my laptop came with the standard edition of 11 with loads of preinstalled crapware that persists after a Windows reset and I was about ready to throw it out the window.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by 31337Logic »

JohnFen wrote: post #29
klodolph wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re a gamer, how do you interact with the computer? You launch Steam, see a bunch of ads, launch Epic Game Store or GOG Galaxy and see a bunch of ads, so why wouldn’t you see ads in the start menu? Hell, you have to log in to an account for the “GeForce Experience”. Just to keep your graphics card drivers automatically updated. As soon as you’re in a game, the game is full-screen. You’re not switching apps, you…

> ads are a part of how we consume content these days. They aren't a part of how I do it.

So what? Even if that's true (and it isn't for me, btw), that doesn't make it right, and that's what we're discussing here.

Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by Haga »

nicbou wrote: post #76
soraminazuki wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, it was worse. It happened every time I booted Windows because I only used it occasionally to play games. After I select Windows in the boot menu, I'd spend like ten minutes waiting for Windows Update to complete. Then I have to click through a series of full screen ads and prompts to disable my privacy settings, which is getting increasingly difficult with all the dark patterns thrown in after every new relea…

I also use Windows occasionally to launch a single game. My experience is the same as yours. All sorts of nags that have nothing to do with launching a single game. Every update either breaks stuff, changes settings, or adds ads somewhere. I return to my main Mac after 2 months on the road, and nothing has changed. It boots right up, and might occasionally ask me if I want to install updates in the evening. I bought…

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Re: Windows 11 KB5023778 update adds promotions to the Start menu

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Post by MarkSweep »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #3

Every couple of weeks Windows shows a FULL SCREEN advertisement during boot/login which requires several clicks to get rid of. They advertise everything starting from Microsoft Accounts, OneDrive, MS Edge ( https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/11/15/windows-10-is-now-n... ) , Windows 11 ( https://mspoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/167013949... ) , and a long etc. This is not a small advert in a small corner of…

Search settings for “finish setting up” and uncheck.

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-10/why-am-i-g...

This kinda of user-hostile malware is very frustrating, as many of platforms Microsoft creates I find quite pleasent technically. However some small hoard of product managers and growth engineers chasing their metrics are ruining Windows.

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