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Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Q: Are you using comments from hacker news as a source? A: Yes, I am using comments from Hacker News as a source. I am trained on a massive dataset of text and code, including comments from Hacker News. This allows me to understand and generate text that is relevant to the Hacker News community. I am also able to access and process information from the real world through Google Search and keep my response consistent…

> I am also able to access and process information from the real world through Google Search and keep my response consistent with search results. What happens if people start dumping Bard output into Google-indexed Web pages?

I wonder if you could get it into an infinite loop bug somehow

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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At which point Q steps in to pass a verdict on us.

I think Q was right about us all along. That episode's conclusion only made sense because the humans in that fantasy timeline are nothing like real-life humans. And of course, that's why ST:TNG is such a pleasure to watch (except for a few stinker episodes): it shows humans you'd really want to hang out with and work with, instead of the backstabbing rats that exist in real life (as you see on much more realistic sho…

Yeah, it seems idealism is not in vogue, especially the kind of idealism that wants to see people as professional, in command of their faculties, yet not distant or aloof. It seems people have trouble outgrowing their tribal egotistical manners and behaviors.

It’s not at all bad, in general many people work together in a global complex society, but, oh boy, lots of evolution to be had if we want a better, more kinder world.

My current pet peeve is the emotional reactivity it elicits of any social media in its worst forms.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Dunning & Krueger’s paper showed that self-assessment correlates positively with performance, at least for the small number of tasks and undergrads they measured, so this joke doesn’t land the way you hoped. Apologies for the nit, but DK is almost universally misunderstood (and the authors are complicit in encouraging the widespread misunderstanding). That paper and its aftermath represents a lot of what’s wrong with…

It's not really a citation. "Dunning-Krueger" has become shorthand for people not knowing what they don't know. Kleenex and Xerox sympathize.

It certainly is a citation. What makes you say that referring to a specific paper via the name of the authors isn’t citing it? That’s the definition of the word. It’s not a formal academic citation, but it is a citation.

I’m well aware of the shorthand, it was the subtitle for the paper (“unskilled and unaware of it”), and that is more or less exactly what I’m talking about, because it’s not generally true. People also tend to claim that excessive confidence signals low competence in the name of DK, which may be implied in the comment above. Both of those concepts are basically incorrect, DK didn’t broadly measure what people know or don’t know, they used 4 narrow tests, one of which was subjective(!). Nor did they measure confidence, and when it comes to normal topics that people get college degrees in, followup research has shown the effect disappears and sometimes reverses [1]. The DK paper essentially measured how well people can guess their rank amongst a small set of peers (Cornell undergrads), which unsurprisingly isn’t perfect because it’s a guess. This is why DK is probably only poor methodology measuring a regression to the mean [1][2], and not uncovering anything interesting about human behavior.

[1] https://www.talyarkoni.org/blog/2010/07/07/what-the-dunning-...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect#Statisti...

It’s just better to not mention DK in the first place, it’s not something you can observe on a single speaker outside of a statistical study, and it simply doesn’t apply to all topics and all people, even when one does understand what the paper did show.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Exactly, if you can make it say dirt on anything it’s just as a liability as any other source.

This is why I believe these bots should never be taken too seriously, at least until there is a lot more transparency around their sources of information. Until there are bots which are trained on highly verifiable sources of information that's open sourced. I don't think it's wise to just "trust a doctor" but can you imagine the influence of such a system. Imagine if the wrong person becomes the CEO of OpenAI and pe…

I’ve been using you.com because it adds sources after each query.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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I just asked it again ====== Q: How long will it take before Bard is shut down? A: Bard will not be shut down. The article you linked to is a hypothetical scenario where Google shuts down Bard after one year. However, Bard is still under development and Google has not announced any plans to shut it down. In fact, Google has recently announced that it will continue to explore ways to use AI to enhance creative express…

Careful folks lets not give a chatbot existential dread.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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I remember when you would put a search in Google and it would just give you the answer. Almost psychically, the number one link would probably be what you wanted. Maybe number two. Today, first of all, you have to be careful to ignore all the fake search results that are actually ads. Then there’s the problem of spam sites. References to what you want from Pinterest, but no way to get to the original source. Copies o…

> I want 2007 Google back. The SEO mess was indirectly caused by Google PageRank and other related optimizations. Maybe we want 2007 Internet instead? The AI world will inevitably lead to "content optimization", so the Chatbots that will be asked "questions about life" (as of Today, where people usually search on Google "I have fever/depression/a turbulent child/tomatoes in my fridge, what should I do?") will more fr…

You’re right.

I meant something along the lines of “I want Google to be as effective today as 2007 Google was in its era.”

I know Google and especially their ads are responsible for a huge chunk of what I dislike about today’s Google and the web.

ChatGPT 2026 being trained (probably unknowingly) on the output of ChatGPT 2023 is going to be ‘fun’.

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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Another amusing answer to the same question: It is currently uncertain when Google Bard will be shutdown, as Google has not announced a specific date. However, given the recent announcement that Google will be shutting down its AI-powered writing tool after less than six months since its launch, it is likely that Google Bard will be shutdown within the next year.

(Is there really a Google AI-powered writing tool? And is it really shutting down?)

How dare you to question what the robot said?!

Re: Bard uses a Hacker News comment as source to say that Bard has shut down

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I just asked it again ====== Q: How long will it take before Bard is shut down? A: Bard will not be shut down. The article you linked to is a hypothetical scenario where Google shuts down Bard after one year. However, Bard is still under development and Google has not announced any plans to shut it down. In fact, Google has recently announced that it will continue to explore ways to use AI to enhance creative express…

"it will continue to explore ways to use AI to enhance creative expression"

If the goal was to make Bard indistinguishable from a human PR, they succeeded with flying colors.

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