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Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by smoldesu »

dcow wrote: post #158

As a lazy developer I also dislike what’s slowly happening to macOS. Apple wants you to switch to sandboxed apps but they don't provide a way for you to do even half the things a traditional app can (because they can’t imagine them all up front). That’s just frustrating and lazy on their part and makes the developer UX shitty. But, as an end user, what Apple is doing (bringing sandboxed apps and better security to th…

> We should be making a stink [...] Not just throwing up our hands and saying fuck security I’ll just use Linux.

I'm not sure what you're asking for, here. People have protested OS changes from Apple and Microsoft for decades, but it's never worked. Your only viable method of protest is using an OS where you control the featureset, which (as you've pointed out) is an unrealistic and bad habit.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by _piif »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #168
snapplebobapple wrote: post #73

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Similar experience over here on one of the earlier 11th gen models and recently on a new 12th gen model as well (build quality feels a lot improved vs the early stuff too, fyi). People are still right to call BS on having to run any of this to get decent battery performance but it is possible to get if you jump through a few hoops. Next step for distros should really be sane defaults for this stuff and/or an option t…

I can understand distributions not having optimal settings for every laptop under the sun, but it seems like a no-brainer to at least create a repository of power config profiles for different models that users can submit to, eventually creating a decent library that could then be integrated into the settings app or and first run wizard.

Whilst not strictly for power settings, NixOS has a repository where users can contribute general optimized settings for their hardware.

https://github.com/NixOS/nixos-hardware

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by wyclif »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #101
andybak wrote: post #90

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That's odd - I'd prefer the opposite tradeoff. Apple hardware is excellent but for me their software design choices are usually the problem. Even the much-lauded excellence in UX doesn't really hold up any more. But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook, put it in your bag and be secure in the knowledge it won't decide to switch on and probably cause permanent heat damage to itself. (looking at you windows...)

> But at least you can close the lid on a Macbook ... Macs have the same issue, but you can turn off the feature that causes it.

How do you turn it off?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by monsieurbanana »

lapcat wrote: post #160
web3-is-a-scam wrote: post #133

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Seems overblown to me, been a macos user for over a decade and the ios-ification o f the mac hasn't been a big deal for me. My greybeard workflows still work the same (everything in iterm, using vim, tmux, all the "standard stuff"), sometimes updating xcode is a pain but w/e. Homebrew still chugging along. Parallels is fantastic. Performance of the M1 Max on my new mac studio is just heavenly. The changes to macos ha…

> I don't think I've touched the preferences "app" since I initially setup my mac studio. The moaning and groaning about how bad it is just seems so.....pointless to me. Have you considered that other people have usage requirements different from yours? Of course there's not much reason to complain about System Settings if you never use it, but that's missing the point.

His usage requirements is using it only once when he sets up his computer, which is probably a good thing for a preferences app. It works well for him, why shouldn't be able to say so? So we can keep this thread strictly about complaining?

You could copy paste your comment to everyone here, "have you considered that other people use it differently".

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by snazz »

Maursault wrote: post #172
web3-is-a-scam wrote: post #133

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Seems overblown to me, been a macos user for over a decade and the ios-ification o f the mac hasn't been a big deal for me. My greybeard workflows still work the same (everything in iterm, using vim, tmux, all the "standard stuff"), sometimes updating xcode is a pain but w/e. Homebrew still chugging along. Parallels is fantastic. Performance of the M1 Max on my new mac studio is just heavenly. The changes to macos ha…

> Homebrew still chugging along. For seven years longer and with 20K more ports than Homebrew, and without leaving a mess on your system or munging permissions, so is MacPorts.

Does Homebrew still have those issues on newer Macs with the /opt/homebrew prefix? I don’t use either at the moment but last time I looked at Homebrew it looked like they had changed the way it installed, at least on Apple silicon Macs.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by jasoneckert »

burntalmonds wrote: post #75
kjhughes wrote: post #30

For those who might prefer text over video: Q: What's your operating system of choice, today? A: I have for most of my life, because I was sort of born into it, run Apple. Right now, recently, meaning within the last five years, I’ve become more and more and more depressed and [Laughter] what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious, but they are taking a lot of space and time to d…

"..what Apple is doing to something which should allow you to work is just atrocious.." Anyone know what his specific issues are?

As an Apple user since the early days of OS X, I remember watching that part of the presentation thinking to myself "he knows he doesn't need to elaborate on that."

I think many of us watching Apple for the past two decades have seen the OS move slowly towards closed standards and tighter control instead of openness and functionality. Each time I boot my PowerBook G4 running Leopard for a nostalgia kick, I'm reminded of how great OS X once was.

But as Ken pointed out, they've been doing it over a long period of time, so it's OK (i.e., it's given us plenty of time to move to other alternatives).

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by giardini »

jamesgill wrote: post #149
web3-is-a-scam wrote: post #133

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Seems overblown to me, been a macos user for over a decade and the ios-ification o f the mac hasn't been a big deal for me. My greybeard workflows still work the same (everything in iterm, using vim, tmux, all the "standard stuff"), sometimes updating xcode is a pain but w/e. Homebrew still chugging along. Parallels is fantastic. Performance of the M1 Max on my new mac studio is just heavenly. The changes to macos ha…

* People complain about system preferences but I use spotlight to find settings when I need them* This is exactly how I do it, and I also do it this way in Ubuntu. And in both OSes, I hide docks/apps.

Ubuntu has spotlight?

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by lexicality »

bmitc wrote: post #80
qbasic_forever wrote: post #8

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With the pi 4 you can boot off a USB3 drive like a SSD. I setup a 4gb memory model with SSD boot and it's a flawless little desktop--it runs full gnome and Ubuntu just fine. If you can get a 8gb memory model it would be perfect. I love it.

An Intel NUC is not much more than the top tier Raspberry Pi, once you get a case and stuff it needs, but is orders of magnitude faster. I got one and installed Linux Mint on it. It's a much, much better system than the Raspberry Pi 4 I have.

Either you have found an amazing discount for NUCs or you're getting ripped off on your raspi accessories!

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by hedora »

adamgordonbell wrote: post #77

I was at the talk, and it's strange this what people take from it. You should watch the whole thing and see what he built over years. I was a bit disappointed that most of the questions ignored his talk about a very cool jukebox he built and focused on OS drama. He built a jukebox with all hit songs he could find in it 1900-2000 and for prerecorded music, got a player piano and sheet music and midi and integrated the…

Better headline: “Unix Legend Ken Thompson Announces he is Switching From iTunes to a Raspberry PI, a Player Piano and Cabinets of old CD’s”

Hmmm. I meant for that to be snarky, but it is a better headline.

Re: Ken Thompson's 75 year project: A century of popular music in a jukebox [video]

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Post by runjake »

drivebyops wrote: post #146
justinzollars wrote: post #40

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I have to admit, I tried and failed to switch away from Apple. I bought a Linux Laptop - an System 76. I was surprised at how terrible the battery management of linux was compared with my mac. And that particular issue broke me.

There simply isn’t a proper contender to Apple. And with Apple silicon, it’s a done deal for the next decade at least. Apart from hardware, you need a company that is willing to take Linux from the ground up and create a macOS type OS. Not simply make your own distribution and DE and call it a day. Chromebook was close, but they had bad execution and wrong ideas.

Linux is a kernel. Making your own distribution and DE is how you create a Linux-based macOS.

I’d say System 76 is doing that but their execution has stumbled for the past year or so. They are working on their own Rust-based DE, to some level of success. I hope they get back on track.

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