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Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by graton »

stabbles wrote: post #83
chainwax wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless Actions has gotten a lot more fleshed out since I last used it, I don't think it's as robust as Gitlab CI.

- Github Action's design is much better, just look at [1] for example, there's a lot of low-hanging fruit in Gitlab that's not done for some reason - I've had tons of issues with their kubernetes runners, hard to debug spurious system failures - They still don't display the last N bytes of the logs when logs get long, just the first N bytes, which is entirely useless when a build fails - It's awfully slow to navigate…

> The `stages` things is just useless noise, I just wanna specify dependencies please, I don't want to be forced to also put each job in a stage, it's weird.

You don't have to. GitLab supports dependencies. Using the `needs:` keyword.

It was released in August of 2019.

https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2019/08/22/gitlab-12-2-rel...

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by speedgoose »

brightball wrote: post #149
gregwebs wrote: post #70

Gitlab pricing used to be something like $4/mo and they saw incredible growth. They raised their rates to $19/mo and now are seeing slow growth. In April they are raising to $29/mo- not sure what they think is going to happen. Also, for anyone that actively watches, they have to wonder if there will be another price hike once you are on their platform. Github Enterprise is only $21/mo and for most users it has all th…

$29 / month as it relates to developer salaries is not impactful.

It adds up. 29$ for GitHub, 19$ for GitHub Copilot, 20$ for ChatGPT Plus, a few codespaces and runners, perhaps 7.5$ for the sadomasochist project managers who wants Jira, and you may get a nice bill at the end of the month.

And then you have people like GitKrakken who ask 19$ for a git client, or Teleport who ask 36$ for a ssh client.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by jmholla »

mardifoufs wrote: post #164
jmholla wrote: post #157

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At least parts of what you say ring true in my experience following GitLab releases more closely (e.g. 1-2 months behind). I would highly recommend not self-hosting if you're going to go with GitLab. Performance issues will appear and disappear between updates, and sometimes on a whim and you're never quite sure what you did or didn't do. I did find the support staff to be fairly responsive, but most of that time fel…

Self hosting is fine... but only for an internal instance. The release cycle is pretty extreme, with a critical security update seemingly popping up every two weeks. I mean that's better than not patching the issues, but it still means you have to stay on top of it. Having an internal/private network instance doesn't actually help you all that much, but it still gives you a little more breathing room. (and I know it…

> The release cycle is pretty extreme, with a critical security update seemingly popping up every two weeks.

That just reminded me of my least favorite thing about their releases: they brag about releasig on time for however many months in a row, but they're always quickly followed up with bug and security fixes. I felt their presentation of consistency was misleading at best.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mschuster91 »

gregwebs wrote: post #70

Gitlab pricing used to be something like $4/mo and they saw incredible growth. They raised their rates to $19/mo and now are seeing slow growth. In April they are raising to $29/mo- not sure what they think is going to happen. Also, for anyone that actively watches, they have to wonder if there will be another price hike once you are on their platform. Github Enterprise is only $21/mo and for most users it has all th…

> It seems that Gitlab is only going to be left with 1) existing Gitlab users 2) users that want some enterprise feature set that doesn't exist on Github, and want it in a single platform without a third party

Add in 3) people who want a reasonable option to self-host that's not charging you to oblivion.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by midoridensha »

cwsx wrote: post #156
hamandcheese wrote: post #148

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> it'll be a reminder that the company would rather save $xxx/year than make their job easier. My company has already made this crystal clear by switching to MS Teams.

Every morning we begin stand-up with a ritual, our whole team simultaneously muttering something arcane whilst manipulating the inner workings of Teams, hoping to appease the MS gods. Shortly after the ritual is complete you hear a cacophony of "fucking teams wouldn't find my headset/camera", and the day begins.

Your team should have a strict policy to not do ANY work at all each day until the stand-up is complete, and not to do the stand-up until Teams is working correctly for every team member, no matter how long this takes.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by cwsx »

midoridensha wrote: post #185
cwsx wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every morning we begin stand-up with a ritual, our whole team simultaneously muttering something arcane whilst manipulating the inner workings of Teams, hoping to appease the MS gods. Shortly after the ritual is complete you hear a cacophony of "fucking teams wouldn't find my headset/camera", and the day begins.

Your team should have a strict policy to not do ANY work at all each day until the stand-up is complete, and not to do the stand-up until Teams is working correctly for every team member, no matter how long this takes.

If only I could, I could use some time off...

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mettamage »

Petersipoi wrote: post #170
meghan_rain wrote: post #116

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Don't tell them it becomes 40k after taxes or people here won't believe you.

Software Engineers work for $40k net in Europe? Genuinely asking.

Yep, me, there's nothing that pays more to be honest. If you're hiring and it pays significantly more, I'm interested.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by CitizenKane »

mgl wrote: post #66
voganmother42 wrote: post #61

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This really misses the mark. They compete with free also, which is always nothing. Github by comparison lets me pay like 5$/mo for LFS and 4$/mo for a team of one, bitbucket even lets you do up to 5 users for a total of 15$/mo , gitlab has nothing like that :(

I feel your pain, we all get used to super cheap development services. But now - well - there is no free lunch as they say, and I think we should stop demanding much for nothing. Would they make money on $5 accounts? Does github make money on $4 accounts? Is it a sustainable pricing model or more like a “growth grab” which is not valued that much in 2023.

It's not necessarily about whether they're actually making money on those as opposed to covering their costs. Almost any successful company based around open source software (and often closed source) has a huge spread of customers sizes from the hobbyist who plays around with a few things all the way to Fortune 500 enterprises. By having a ramp up in terms of pricing it keeps folks invested in your platform. In cases where there's a big jump there's often quite a bit of hesitance to upgrade unless there's an overwhelming need.

Basically, it's aligning the success of your business to the success of your users. Most of what's offered in Gitlab Premium[1] would be of little value for a small development shop, yet if you have 5 users you're looking at $1000/yr for features that are unlikely to be used. It just doesn't make sense.

[1] https://about.gitlab.com/pricing/

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by imp0cat »

nimbius wrote: post #21

things like github and gitlab always struck me as oddities. it costs virtually nothing to deploy a containerized gitea and jenkins, or gitlab CE, and you have direct control over its performance and options without any spend. call me old fashioned but these online git-o-matic sites just seem more like rent-seeking during a recession.

Yes, but having used both, I'd pick Gitlab CI over Jenkins anytime. YMMV, obviously.

Re: Gitlab loses one-third of its value after company issues weak forecast

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Post by mau »

brasic wrote: post #141
memco wrote: post #126

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> Github Enterprise is only $21/mo and for most users it has all the same features of Gitlab. Of those things that I like more in Gitlab, it is deploy tokens: an easy way to be able to dole out permission to clone code where needed without having to bother with key management or user management. As far as I can tell GitHub has something like this but it requires setting up an app to talk to the API and isn’t nearly s…

Not sure what you mean. Adding a deploy key is about as simple as I can imagine, definitely doesn’t require messing with apps, which I agree is a pain. https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-gith... (disclosure, former GH)

I think the GH app is a workaround for this:

> Deploy keys only grant access to a single repository. More complex projects may have many repositories to pull to the same server.

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