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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by brightlancer »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #129
luckylion wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite (because the chance of success is very small), but if you're a successful influencer and then exploit the fact that you have children for even more growth, the trauma is probably small and the therapy is easily covered with the amounts of money you're making (which makes SWE salaries look tiny in comparison). It's not positive, but it's "I have a splinter in my finger" relatively to what many (most?) childr…

I think you're misunderstanding the realistic state of child influencers. These children have no guarantee of access to any money they "earn", and also the chance of earning that much is quite low. Just like most influencers, most of them don't make anywhere near a fulltime income an adult could make even on minimum wage, but are left with lifelong distortions of how to be a person that have to be unlearned. I don't…

> I think you're misunderstanding the realistic state of child influencers.

I think their point is that you and many others are underestimating how bad a "normal" childhood can be.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by jl6 »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

I’m not sure social media deserves all the blame here. This kind of exploitation has its roots in reality shows like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo and I Am Jazz - there’s no bright line between those shows and what you describe.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by pfannkuchen »

BurningFrog wrote: post #72
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #7

This article unfortunately doesn't cover a much darker part of the TikTok children: exploitation of the children for the titillation of online creepers. The Some Place Under Neith podcast goes into this extensively [their "Parasocial Pits Of Hell" series]. It's completely legal to vlog your children in swimming outfits or a similar level of skin exposure, have the children sing or perform for their "fans", and encour…

AFAIK, it's empirically established that access to pornography lowers rape rates. So maybe access to videos of lightly dressed children, icky as it may feel, lowers the rate of pedophile rape.

I think this assumes that pedophiles are born with an attraction to children, as opposed to somehow having formed a mental association between children and sex through environmental factors. I wonder if there is evidence in either direction? From an evolutionary perspective the latter would be my default assumption, as the postulated evolutionary rationales for, say, homosexuality, at least, would not really apply to pedophilia.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by jimbokun »

Kye wrote: post #179
ouid wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is extremely active denial of the problem. The parent comment didn't even consider this as a possibility. Moreover, your comment is also an example. You can't simultaneously describe yourself as not denying the problem while completely dismissing that problem as "moral panic designed to deprive adults of access to care". I am completely on board with giving adults access to care. I am significantly more hesitan…

>> "Please do not warp my words." You too? I've been down this road. I'm not going to say anything that can convince you. edit: You might want to consider not using the same rhetoric as folks who call people groomers for not wanting kids to kill themselves because they can't get treatment for their dysphoria. Reconsider your sources of information if you sincerely feel hurt by being seen in the same light. You are pa…

Because you have already decided that anyone who disagrees with you is just participating in a "moral panic".

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by svilen_dobrev »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #136

One of the most horrifying social media pages I've seen was an influencer who billed herself as a "trans activist" and documented every moment of her trans daughter's life. This poor kid was 8-years-old and attempted suicide on a regular basis. Every time she tried to kill herself, the mom would document the gritty details, post pictures and details about it online (and of course get massive likes/shares by well-inte…

somehow this reminds me of kids' quiz in Magnolia'1999 movie..

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by soiler »

luckylion wrote: post #122
soiler wrote: post #105

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The implication of your take is that we should exploit children as much as possible because it might pay off big, as long as we don't cross the line into "worst childhood of all time".

Not quite (because the chance of success is very small), but if you're a successful influencer and then exploit the fact that you have children for even more growth, the trauma is probably small and the therapy is easily covered with the amounts of money you're making (which makes SWE salaries look tiny in comparison). It's not positive, but it's "I have a splinter in my finger" relatively to what many (most?) childr…

I don't think working in a meat-packing plant is comparable to being used by influencer parents, but that doesn't mean the latter is small potatoes. They're very different situations.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by corbulo »

stametseater wrote: post #85
shagie wrote: post #84

Apparently, this is known as Sharenting and has its own Wikipedia page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharenting > Sharenting is the practice of parents publicizing sensitive content about their children on internet platforms. While the term was coined as recently as 2010, sharenting has become an international phenomenon with widespread presence in the United States, Spain, France, and the United Kingdom. As such,…

> Proponents frame the practice as a natural expression of parental pride in their children and argue that critics take sharenting posts out of context. You know this framing is BS because they'd all scream bloody murder if monetizing that content were outlawed. It's not about pride in their children, it's about monetizing their children. Of course it's no surprise that somebody psychopathic enough to do this to thei…

I think you're underestimating how twisted these peoples pathologies can get. They don't see any of it logically. They're exploitative monsters because they have no emotional control or situational awareness. Words of strangers online are reality to them. Thats how they got on the path theyre on in the first place. In their brief moments of clarity where they encounter intense cognitive dissonance is where the suicide attempts enter (how the kid likely learned about such methods).

Usually these types of behaviors are accelerated with some kind of pharmaceuticals.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by brightlancer »

Ekaros wrote: post #165
mablopoule wrote: post #44

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Yes, let's narrow even more the kind of content allowed in platforms with draconian laws. "I'm sorry mister, but we can see chidren playing in the park at 44:28 in the hour-long documentary you've produced, so we had to remove the video." /s

I think it is entirely reasonable to totally ban any media that has any person who haven't given explicit release on their likeness. It isn't too much to ask for valuing everyone's privacy.

In the US, there is no general expectation of privacy in a public place.

Implementing your proposal is also unreasonable: before one took a photo of their spouse in the park, they would have to clear the background of all persons or get their explicit consent.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by Kye »

jimbokun wrote: post #184
Kye wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> "Please do not warp my words." You too? I've been down this road. I'm not going to say anything that can convince you. edit: You might want to consider not using the same rhetoric as folks who call people groomers for not wanting kids to kill themselves because they can't get treatment for their dysphoria. Reconsider your sources of information if you sincerely feel hurt by being seen in the same light. You are pa…

Because you have already decided that anyone who disagrees with you is just participating in a "moral panic".

Not anyone, no.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by peterashford »

mablopoule wrote: post #92
stametseater wrote: post #75

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Was there ever a pressing need for that cover to exist in the first place? I don't think our society would be culturally impoverished if they had simply taken a picture of something else.

Yeah, society would absolutely be culturally impoverished if this would be considered off-limit. Limiting the space of 'allowed' expression and saying it's okay because culture is not essential isn't really the best path to take as a society.

How? In what way would not having a child's penis on an album cover have impoverished society?
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