I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.
Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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#182I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
I get that gloating when your enemies fail is one of life's big pleasures, but would your opinion on the guy change if we lived an alternate universe where Tesla had gotten FSD working?
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#183Remains to be seen what the OTA patch will actually do. If they could make FSD work correctly they would have _already_ done it. So, my guess is more smoke and mirrors to mislead the NHTSA, and then NHTSA will come down with the ban hammer on FSD and require them to disable it entirely.
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#184It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.
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#185That's 4-5B USD worth of fraud. This thing could actually be quite dangerous for TSLA. One class-action lawsuit around this and they're bankrupt. Edit: Dang, you're all right, they could eat this and still be alive. My whole sentiment comes from FSD being their big shot (and everything that comes with that, like the robotaxis and whatnot). Without FSD, they're "just another car company" and the market is already thri…
You think $5B would bankrupt Tesla?
Couldn't they issue new shares under their own name and sell them in the open market to get dozens of billions ?
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#186I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
Right, but to be eligible for the return trip you'd first need to pay the loan you took to go there by working as an indentured servant and buying your oxygen and food at company-set prices, right?
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#187> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…
That's the thing about neural networks: any QA is going to be superficial due to their statistical black box nature.
What? Black box testing has plenty of techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-box_testing
Whether it's a neural network inside or not is completely irrelevant. That's why it's called "black box".
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD every time.
Do you have the latest beta? How did it improve in the last 12 months?
Musk has the latest internal release that will fix every problem at the end of the month, every month.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
I beta test regularly in Vancouver BC on my Model S LR. My experience is the polar opposite to yours. It's surprising (on the good side) and has improved immensely in the past 12 months. It does not need to be rethought imo. Obviously your opinion is valid, but it's not consensus.
Yeah I use it all the time in seattle here on my model x. It’s amazing. Sometimes it makes a questionable decision but the vast majority of the time it works as expected. I don’t mind being alert to the driving conditions, and the amount it can do without assistance is remarkable
I hope I am not next to you when it makes those "questionable" decisions...
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#190There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
Why? It involves a safety system! That needs to be tracked publicly and updated! Nothing more than an OTA - does not mean much when everything is fly by wire and a bug could mean your car does not stop accelerating or something.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that.
The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.