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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Post by edgyquant »

muzz wrote: post #96
terran57 wrote: post #75

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Because of these examples, my immediate gut reaction to a new Google product announcement is wondering how long it will be before Google will discontinue said product.

As should be your reaction to any new product or service, since that is how innovation works. Things are introduced to the marketplace, and most will fail.

No it isn’t. Most established companies don’t spin up and then down products at this rate otherwise Google wouldn’t be singled out for it. You’re doing damage control.

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Post by hnfong »

Zetice wrote: post #163

Will anyone remember how Bard was released in 5 years, if it delivers on its promises? I doubt it, so the hand wringing over a stumble this early seems overblown.

It signals incompetence at the highest levels of Google, and that's bad for the company.

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Post by pjc50 »

ralfd wrote: post #121
matthewdgreen wrote: post #42

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The problem with this analysis is that first movers usually don't win.

It depends on the definition what "first" means. For example Amazon Kindle was not the first eReader. But its platform-ecosystem was years sooner than Barnes & Nobles Nook and Kindle won out. Amazon itself is technically a "second mover" because there was an obscure online book shop before, but no one else from the established sales companies or Walmart could compete with them. Tesla was not the first electric car. B…

"Find the company that survived and got big, then carefully move the historical goalpost so it's first"

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Post by modeless »

jwestbury wrote: post #154
modeless wrote: post #63

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He is world class at being inoffensive. He's great at testifying to Congress.

Testifying to Congress is a pretty key skill for a Google CEO at the moment, to be fair.

Yes, these are unironically extremely difficult skills which were critical for a Google CEO over the last 10 years. Maybe the next 10 years will be different though.

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Post by pornel »

p1esk wrote: post #169
EagnaIonat wrote: post #119

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> Google to an AI first company 6 years ago, way before AI was hyped up AI hype train started back in 2015.

AI hype train started in 2012 thanks to Alexnet winning Imagenet competition, and this paper from Google: https://www.wired.com/2012/06/google-x-neural-network/amp

Ooof, an AMP link. Reminds me why avoid Google products.

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Post by philliphaydon »

darthrupert wrote: post #74
matthewdgreen wrote: post #58

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In the short term Google has an utterly dominant position in Search, and Bing AI is basically irrelevant to this. What people are worried about are the implications for the long term.

I don't give a fuck about Bing, frankly, but ChatGPT (the actual first mover here) has already replaced a lot of what I used Google for during a work day. I'll be their paying customer soon. It would be great if that meant I had privacy as well, but I kinda bleakly realize that that might be a bit of a pipe dream.

Over the past 2 weeks I’ve barely used Google. I just ask ChatGPT. The results it produces are just superior to Google in every way.

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Post by xg15 »

aliqot wrote: post #150
wccrawford wrote: post #68

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Everything has to be turned up to 11 today because too many people think they won't get enough attention if they actually label something as severe/important as it actually is.

Think about it, we stopped watching traditional news, then shunned news that was too slow because twitter was faster though sometimes wrong. so traditional news media was like "aight, bet" and now we are where we are. the trump era fully solidified that the more ragetastic you can make your title, the more people tribe up and engage in the comments so your one shitty little 30 second article now has people mobbing to…

> what you're writing doesn't even have to have any fact, it can be all opinion, and in most cases this can afford you even more leeway to be inflammatory.

Sounds like it could be automated pretty well with ChatGPT.

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Post by tastyminerals2 »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

Nope. I am somewhat in disbelief about the level people here downgrade the recent Bing upgrade. The chatbot feature is a such a time saver for jobs where you need to write tons of abstract surface-level content. Just yesterday, I tried compiling a monthly teachers working plan for some local school in Ukrainian language. What it spawned in a minute was at least a day of typing work for a human. This is especially useful when you don’t know the formal language. And the quality of this was good enough for bootstrapping.

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Post by dsissitka »

nsxwolf wrote: post #143
theRealMe wrote: post #107

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If you think that more than 95% of the google search results give you an accurate answer, then I’ve got a search result about bridges to sell you… Edit: and to add more so this response isn’t purely trash talking: plenty of us have already switched over to using ChatGPT/bing for our standard question answerer. It is far more efficient than getting back pages of search results and having to parse through garbage site…

Search doesn't give you answers, it gives you pages that are popular that may contain the answers. You have to look at those pages, consider the source, and develop your own intuition and heuristics to determine if you trust that information. It's a skill you develop over time. If I Google "What's the capitol of Illinois", I might get the Wikipedia page on Illinois, and I'm going to easily find the answer is "Springf…

> In the chatbot-as-search paradigm, I'm expected to just accept that error.

Bing's implementation gives its sources. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxAAJnp5yms&t=2619s

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