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The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Why is more diagnosis better diagnosis? I hear this constantly, literally every time people point out we might be calling people mentally ill now that we wouldn't have called mentally ill 20 years ago people go "wow we must be diagnosing people better". To me better diagnosis would be reflected in things like the suicide rate dropping, drug abuse falling, general health metrics improving, and so on, not in simply inc…

> It seems how we diagnose people is totally unconnected from any empirical data on if a culture more willing to diagnose people is making people healthier on a population-wide level. Speaking of an absence of empirical data: People are being told by doctors that their brain has a "chemical imbalance" which medication can fix, despite those doctors not performing any chemical tests on the patient's brain at all. Supp…

Generally I think mental illness will remain in the dark ages so long as there is a divide between neurologists and psychiatrists, and so long as the ICD and DSM are the gold standard of diagnosis. Mental illness is mostly defined based on others perception of you, and is rarely defined based on any sort of psychological testing. There are a few which can be objectively tested for like Alzheimers but they're in the minority.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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right, teen kids are so worried about healthcare costs! Gimmie a break, your comment has nothing to do with the article, it's low effort and a better fit for reddit

I'm not yet 40 but I am a male single parent. With the closest family being 1300 miles away. Last year between March-May my health deteriorated so bad that I went from being fine to walking with a cane in less than 2 months. Once finally diagnosed, I went from diagnoses to major surgery in less than 12 days. My daughter (just turned 16), picked up the slack as I become pretty much bed ridden. I can attest that this h…

I am sorry that you (and your daughter) went through that. Would socialized medicine in the US have prevented your health issue?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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> If we want a healthier society, we need to take a step back and give teenagers a chance to actually live life. We (American here) need to take a step back and let everyone enjoy life. That means providing healthcare, food, and shelter to every single person so that they can live their life and work in a non-anxiety-inducing way. Every therapist I've talked to in the past few years has told me that they think the nu…

right, teen kids are so worried about healthcare costs! Gimmie a break, your comment has nothing to do with the article, it's low effort and a better fit for reddit

I was being affected by household money problems when I was 8. That shit rubs off on your kids no matter what.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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OK, you got me. A lack of socialized everything that started in 2012 is the cause of the teen mental illness epidemic. Get out and vote everyone!!!

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Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Poverty is correlated with suicide rates, for obvious reasons: https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/poverty-may-have-a-greate... There was a notable increase in poverty rates after the 2008 economic collapse, along with a decrease in home ownership and increased unemployment. https://poverty.ucdavis.edu/faq/what-current-poverty-rate-un... The fact that this article doesn't even mention this obvious contributing factor…

If poverty were a major contributing factor, it should be immediately obvious in terms of who's affected. The children of the professional-managerial class should be roughly exempt. What we see is in fact the opposite.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…

Grade inflation could be part of this. Look at canadian university admission averages. [1] What percentage of students had 95% or higher grade in high school?

Waterloo: 8.1% (2010) vs 38.0% (2020)

Western: 4.8% (2010) vs 25.0% (2020)

[1]: https://uwaterloo.ca/performance-indicators/students/enterin...

I got into Waterloo CS in 2012 with a 92% high school average. Pretty lucky.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Why do you think that?

None of them make six figures while browsing HN

Those browsing HN still have sprint deadlines. Browsing HN creates more stress.

Or keep online 24 hours or spend the night mentally trying to solve an abstract issue. At 5pm they are done.

Different stresses / pressures. How many are learning a new language in their freetime just to keep employed. How many people create side projects to land employment at a coffee shop?

To compare employment how many coffee shops test if an employee can make a cup during the interview? How many people are excluded from an interview because they only made starbucks coffee at a previous position.. no way they can figure out McDonalds coffee machines.. How many are asked to go through a take home coffee making task? None..

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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While I don't doubt that social media can drive some of these mental health issues, I think most teenagers are simply stressed from the constant work that's necessary for the college admissions process. I'm 24, so I would have been a teenager in 2012, but I didn't have a smartphone until I was 16 or so. My high school experience consisted almost entirely of school, studying, and running (my primary extracurricular).…

very well said, although allow me to make a minor correction. Where you wrote “Today's society demands so much from adolescents for so little in return. “ I would simply generalize to “Today's society demands so much from anyone for so little in return.” There, perfect

Society doesn't demand anything. You're free to drop out and live in a van down by the river if you want.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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> 40% of high school students don't go to college (of any type). > Among adult Americans, only a third have bachelors degrees So clearly things have been changing in recent decades. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this as a factor.

Going to college is not the same as graduating with a degree. A ton of people go to college for a time and leave with little more than a mountain of debt. Also, a bachelors degree is not even the least degree you can get from a university.

Fair point, but that's not an argument that things aren't changing, just that they might not be.

From a quick search:

Between 2011 and 2021, the percentage of people age 25 and older who had completed a bachelor's degree or higher increased by 7.5 percentage points from 30.4% to 37.9%[1].

It would be helpful to get an attainment by age by year breakdown.

And this still doesn't address the OP's hypothesis that part of the increase in mental health issues is due to increasing admissions pressure over the years, which many people have brought up anecdotally. Whether or not the majority of high schoolers experience that pressure doesn't imply that it still couldn't be part of the problem (which also, incidentally, isn't experienced by a majority of high schoolers).

[1] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/educatio...

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