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Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Re: Companies save billions of dollars by giving employees fake “manager” titles

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Post by 93po »

HEmanZ wrote: post #102
hourago wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the alternative is violence or unionization, neither of which are optimal in resolving disputes like these in a civilized and efficient manner. Unionization is a great way of solving disputes. Many big corporations need to be counter-weight with some other big organization. To put violence and unions at the same level seems uncalled for.

Unionization can have serious problems/risks. I this case, where the business is literally breaking the law, there is no need to get a union involved. Wage theft is illegal. It should be treated as a legal issue where the state gets involved and uses its monopoly on force to enforce the law. That's what the state is there for. [Aside, putting violence at the same level as unions: I've been around a union, while worki…

Wage theft is overwhelmingly not enforced, and it's the largest form of theft in the country. Until this is not the case, unions are the best option.

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Post by LawTalkingGuy »

Xeoncross wrote: post #65
lp0_on_fire wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "offering" enough money it's about companies that are deliberately classifying employees as "managers" when they're anything but for the purposes of avoiding having to pay the employees overtime.

It's just semantics, you're not compelled to stay and work for someone who is low-balling you.

The classification fraud is a crime. It's also tax fraud because you're understating proper income partly to avoid paying taxes on it.

This is far from simply offering a low wage from the beginning.

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Post by therealdrag0 »

nixgeek wrote: post #25

I’ve noticed that in larger technology companies there has also been a trend towards getting a “Manager” title but leading a team of 1-2 people. Maybe there will be intent to grow this to 3-4 people or more in future years, but that hinders giving others a title and their own small team (which can be considered career progression). Then you might see another leader (Manager of Managers, or “MoM”) who has 5 of these s…

My friend at Microsoft manages a small team. The expectation is managing takes 1hr a day per report. So if you have 4 reports you should still be making IC contributions half the time. It’s not like once you get the title you get to sit around and fill space the rest of the time. (Not to say that never happens but any competitive company would resist that.)

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Post by 8bitsrule »

I once knew a 'shop manager' whose salary was 60% of what most of 'his' mechanics were making before they worked overtime. They usually went home at 4; he usually didn't.

When a baby with birth problems arrived for poor Jerry, it cost him more than a year's salary.

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Post by MisterBastahrd »

mattmcknight wrote: post #146
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #124

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Living in America is expensive, wages are relatively low, and long labor fights result in financial devastation that might take years to recover from despite some of the gains being virtually negligible in terms of real impact on the wallets of employees. There are many people, especially of boomer age, who are still haunted by long-term strikes. Strikes have more of an effect when they're against smaller companies.…

> wages are relatively low source?

If wages matched the increase in housing prices alone, then where I live $260K house in 2019 would cost $295K today, not $387K. Wages also do not reflect the necessary change in borrowing habits for many people. Prices have gotten so high that people are being forced to borrow money that they wouldn't have needed to in the past, usually at insanely usurious rates.

People are being bled dry by unsustainably high interest rates and housing costs due to the insatiable appetites of big business.

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Post by kennend3 »

acdha wrote: post #175
kennend3 wrote: post #107

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https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-union-wants-4... You tell us, is a 47% increase in pay "normal"? why did the body intended to help with the negotiations write this: The union’s proposals “do not appear realistic for what should be a fairly advanced stage of negotiations. The numerous proposals are not focused and they would result in an increase to compensation far beyond what is reasonable,” reads the…

You can’t say whether that’s unfair or not without looking at where they’re starting from. Did they have long pay freezes under past austerity programs? Has the cost of living increased significantly in the primary areas they work? (e.g. how much would a Vancouver school teacher’s pay needed to have gone up over the last 20 years just to live in comparable housing?) Given that PSAC are asking for 4.5% raises during a…

> you can’t say whether that’s unfair or not without looking at where they’re starting from.

Assuming that you did not read the article, I am not stating it is unfair, the independent board they engaged to help with the negotiations stated this.

Many people lost their jobs and had to take pay cuts during COVID, why are federal employees exempt from market forces?

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Post by kennend3 »

mistrial9 wrote: post #110
kennend3 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/federal-union-wants-4... You tell us, is a 47% increase in pay "normal"? why did the body intended to help with the negotiations write this: The union’s proposals “do not appear realistic for what should be a fairly advanced stage of negotiations. The numerous proposals are not focused and they would result in an increase to compensation far beyond what is reasonable,” reads the…

Conrad Black built the National Post around the Financial Post, a financial newspaper in Toronto which Hollinger Inc. purchased from Sun Media in 1997. Financial Post was retained as the name of the new newspaper's business section. Beyond his political vision, Black attempted to compete directly with Kenneth Thomson's media empire led in Canada by The Globe and Mail, which Black and many others perceived as the plat…

The point you are attempting to make is unclear??

Is your point that you can copy/paste from wikipedia and provide no actual commentary??

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Post by syndacks »

adrr wrote: post #38

Start sending manager and hr to jail for wage theft. If an employee falsified timesheets they can and have been convicted of theft. Why isn’t the reverse true? Jail is a huge motivating factor and why you don’t see wide spread accounting fraud in public companies.

Why not simply execute the criminals?

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Post by smugma »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #159
fHr wrote: post #72

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Unionization is amazing. I do not know why especially people in US are so against this. Did they just gave up and are okay with the big corps fucking them over withouth having any leverage?

Maybe you should stop thinking that the working class is stupid and start thinking about why they rejected unions. My working class family members (all in the same trade) universally hate unions and their reasons are quite reasonable; my grandfather was in union leadership until he was run out by the mob and my cousin had to pay tribute (e.g a protection racket) to the new leadership.

My brother in law is a Pepsi truck driver (has been for almost 25 years). He’s always bragged that he gets paid the same pay and benefits as those in a union, but doesn’t have to deal with dues “etc.”.

Recently he had to go on medical leave. When he was ready to go back to work he had to take a physical. He had to go a week without pay until the results of the physical came back. It is total bullshit but he didn’t have a Union to back him and not worth it to sue.

Update: He’s only had a few of these issues in his career, so maybe the union dues he would have paid outweighed the cost of getting stiffed. Adding this because my point wasn’t that unions are awesome, but they can have value… the question is at what cost.

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