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Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by burlesona »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

In practice this is how social networks already work - and it turns out that most people treat "like" and "trust" as equivalent. So you get information filter bubbles where people are basically living in separate realities.

In theory there was a time in the past where there was such a thing as a generally "trusted" expert, and it was possible for the rest of us to find and learn from such experts. But the experts are also frequently wrong, and the rise of the early internet was exciting in part because it meant that you could sample a much wider range of "dissenting" opinion and, supposing you put thought and effort in, come away better informed.

These things -- trust, expertise, and dissent -- exist in great tension. That tension is the underpinnings of the traditional classical liberal University model. But that is also gone today as the hypermedia echo chamber has caused dissent in Universities to be less tolerated than ever.

I can't imagine any practical solution to this problem.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by whamlastxmas »

idopmstuff wrote: post #82
px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

The problem is this is how social networks work - what you're describing is the classic social media bubble outcome. Everybody and their networks upvotes content from publishers they trust and downvotes content from publishers they don't but half of them trust Fox News and half trust CNN. Then of course the most active engagers/upvoters are the craziest ones, and they're furiously upvoting extreme content.

I think the extension of this concept is that if I downvote the crazy people then their voting habits don’t impact what I see

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by shagie »

jsemrau wrote: post #141
pjc50 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advogato tried something pretty similar and ultimately died. Arguably Twitter with non-algorithmic timeline and a bit of judicious blocking worked really well for this, but even that's on the way out now. > Any time you publish anything, you're signing that publication with a key that only you hold. People could in theory have done this at any time in the PGP era, but never bothered. I'm…

An actor with a monetary incentive will always aim towards maximizing their financial outcome. Who wouldn't?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overjustification_effect

If you're writing for the joy of writing (intrinsic motivation) and then start getting paid for it (attaching an extrinsic motivation to it) the original "for the joy of X" tends to get lost.

It isn't a "who wouldn't" but rather a "why would you".

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by toyg »

cheschire wrote: post #171
toyg wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with the Internet Archive, which does an amazing job, is that they do an amazing job despite the problem being fundamentally intractable . Web content expands too quickly and too massively. I wonder if the answer is a network of topic-focused archives; like moving from a "Library of Alexandria" model to a modern nationwide system of libraries.

Okay so you build a knowledge graph on top of the internet archive. Now you are struggling to prioritize the resources necessary to capture long-tail content that doesn't mesh easily into popular corpuses. I imagine this would lead to the library equivalent of an echo chamber.

I was thinking more of a federated "webring" structure, with some content being present in more than one node, and where maintenance and curation are distributed (and gathered independently) among nodes.

The nation of, say, Japan, has limited interest in funding an american noprofit today; but they would likely have a great deal of interest in funding an equivalent focused on Japanese content, for example.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by c7b »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

> Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph.

Sounds like what Facebook was (or wanted to be) during its best days, until they got afraid of being overtaken by apps that do away with the social graph (TikTok).

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by flopunctro »

qwertox wrote: post #59
TIPSIO wrote: post #31

Unlimited 24/7 AI streamers on Twitch. Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). Unlimited AI opinions about any topics. Unlimited AI “grassroots” campaigns. Unlimited AI propaganda from every country and military (perfectly chosen each time). Unlimited AI comments, “friends”, and engagements on every social media platform for your posts. The bigger struggle will be for discovering authenticity…

> Unlimited 24/7 AI TV shows and movies (RIP Netflix, Hollywood). I never thought of that, but it's entirely possible and sounds pretty scary. Assuming that this works and then add 2 human generations to it, which would perceive our movies like we do the black and white ones. While a "classic movie" would then mean a human-made movie, it's scary to think that the new stream of media entertainment would be unlimited.…

> you'd have to decide when to stop binge-watching, because the show would always go on.

I would argue that this is already the case. I'd hazard a guess that almost any concept one is interested in, that can be synthesized in a few words (e.g. "deep-ocean human habitats", or "ethics and techniques for this niche psychological framework"), has an infinite rabbithole available online: usually, starting from Wikipedia, there are countless pages and videos about and around the topic.

So the ability to stop binging, i.e. sufficient self-awareness, is already a pretty useful skill, and it will be increasingly necessary.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by glomgril »

c7b wrote: post #173
DebtDeflation wrote: post #22

An endless loop of AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content and spitting out more content that also gets re-posted, resulting in a cesspool of BS masquerading as organic knowledge. I'm old enough to remember when Google provided meaningful search results rather than just SEO spam, the problem is about to get an order of magnitud…

> AI generated content that gets posted to the web as original human generated content, with LLMs getting re-trained on this content Isn't that extrapolating the current trend a bit too much? Clearly, the text corpora[0] amassed before mass LLM content distribution are already big enough to train such models to decent general language fluency. So why would AI creators contaminate those datasets with potentially spuri…

'corpora' fyi

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by Neil44 »

px43 wrote: post #58

Imagine a world where the only content you see is from publishers that you trust, and that your friends trust, and their friends, to maybe 4 or 5 hops or so, and the feed was weighted by how much they are trusted by your particular social graph. If you start seeing spammy content, you downvote it, and your trust level from that part of your social graph drops, and they are less likely to be able to publish things tha…

I like your optimism that spammy content will be downvoted.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by freejazz »

labrador wrote: post #125
freejazz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is insane. People aren't going to use chatGPT to think, they are going to use it for the opposite. That chatGPT doesn't even know when it's wrong is why this is a problem. The vast majority of projects I've seen purport to replace your needs for other things (developers, lawyers, etc) but not being a domain expert, any such user is not going to be aware of the significant flaws chatGPT has in its answers. Heck,…

So have there been lawsuits against Google or Bing by people led astray because they believe the search results are the final source of truth?

No, what's your point? Google doesn't purport to offer legal advice, unlike the AI companies that do but simultaneously disclaim any liability. You can be obtuse if you want, but it's completely disingenuous to compare companies purporting to offer legal advice with a google search.

Re: Chat GPT is the birth of the real Web 3.0, and it's not going to be fun

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Post by freejazz »

capableweb wrote: post #115
freejazz wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is insane. People aren't going to use chatGPT to think, they are going to use it for the opposite. That chatGPT doesn't even know when it's wrong is why this is a problem. The vast majority of projects I've seen purport to replace your needs for other things (developers, lawyers, etc) but not being a domain expert, any such user is not going to be aware of the significant flaws chatGPT has in its answers. Heck,…

> That chatGPT doesn't even know when it's wrong is why this is a problem. Have you never had a conversation with someone about a topic which they know nothing about, and they say/ask something that is wrong/stupid, but it still raises some question(s) you haven't thought about before? I kind of think of ChatGPT like that, a dumb friend that is mostly dumb, but sometimes makes my brain pull in a direction I haven't p…

It's good that you think of chatGPT like that. My point is that clearly, that's not how most people are envisioning it nor is that how businesses are purporting to sell it.
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