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Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by grapehut »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #151
grapehut wrote: post #72

These stories leave a bad taste in my mouth. It hasn't yet gone to court, so the guys allegations could be really be anything from the God's honest truth all the way to a complete fabrication. Yet there is a huge amount of irreparable damage by public stories like this. I was once personally on the receiving end of a complete false sexual harassment allegation from a coworker almost at random (someone I had almost no…

Question: is it possible that to have repercussions you have to counter sue, it's just that there are no repercussions during the case against you? Like, that woman literally lied in court, causing you financial, psychological and image damage, couldn't you have sued for this? Theoretically speaking, I'm saying.

I think it would require pretty exceptional circumstances to make any sense to try counter-sue.

Like in my case I have pretty conclusive proof that part of her allegation is a lie. And that makes her look sufficiently bad that she's wiling to drop the whole thing.

But if I now tried to sue her, she'd naturally have to revert to asserting her allegations were true in the first place. But only she made some mistakes when remembering the details (oh sorry, wrong event! Trauma!). And I believe I would look vindictive and aggressive, and my real concrete proof is that one part of her allegation is a lie.

For me, it's 10000x easier to just count my blessings than personally consider anything of the sort. I only once briefly entertained the idea just to tarnish her own reputation to the point she would never be able to falsely accuse anyone again.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

oh_sigh wrote: post #71
Seattle3503 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen this first hand?

I work at a FANG and there was a reshuffling in my team of 30 people as a new manager came in - there were 5 women/25 men. After the reshuffling, the 5 women became the 5 new TLs of the 5 projects our team was subdivided into. And the manager talks all the time about how he wants to empower women. Not sure if that counts. I guess it could have just been coincidence.

Is TL a Teralitre, Turkish lira or Teen's Love?

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

> Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will.

I think that even just five years ago I would’ve agreed with you on this, but when the attacks on elderly Asians began to happen during the pandemic, it was one of those painful things that it was the NY Post that could be counted on to make those visible.

As I’ve gotten older, I haven’t become more conservative. But I’ve realized that the left side of the spectrum is a lot sicker than I realized when I was younger, and to not automatically discount everything that goes on in the right, wince-worthy as it may often be.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by blindriver »

couchdb_ouchdb wrote: post #50
kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

After 16 years at Google, i'm pretty sure he doesn't have to work another day in his life.

He wasn't an engineer, so I'm sure his compensation was much lower than what you think.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by voytec »

za3faran wrote: post #46
peyton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In or about June 2022, both Schiestel and Stewart strongly encouraged Olohan to hire only female applicants for an open management position on his team. Not great for Google executives to be doing this.

It's the "right" kind of sexism. Everyone knows it's happening, but let's see if anything will come out of it now that it's in the open. I'm guessing there has to be at least one lawyer who's eager to jump on it.

> It's the "right" kind of sexism.

And at the same time, it's the "left" kind of sexism by other meaning.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by visarga »

polynomial wrote: post #51

> When he asked why he was non-inclusive, Olohan was told that he had shown favouritism towards high-performing employees and that he was “ableist” for commenting on other employees’ “walking pace.” Wait, what...?

I hope anti-ableists don't pick the best heart doctor, lawyer or investment banker for themselves, that would be ableism. When they have kids, they should not select the best teachers because that would discriminate against the less able teachers.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by thinking4real »

deaddodo wrote: post #154
kodah wrote: post #18

Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. That said, this is a pretty wild turn of events. From the initial and continued sexual harassment/assault to the racism, and subsequent retaliation. More curious is the very direct "your team is too male" and the encouragement to fire someone. I've heard this hinted at before, but never said out loud for obvious re…

I worked at a company a few years back where the hiring manager for the engineering and product teams proudly exclaimed that she would actively go against hiring a man, until the teams were at minimum 50% women and would maintain this ratio once she reached that goal. Totally admirable intention, for sure (if only viewed from the lens of strict equality). But I’m sure the 90% of applicants that were male wouldn’t see…

“Totally admirable intention”

What? That’s not admirable at all. That’s blatant sexism.

“(STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women)”

Lol no, if anything it’s clearly discriminatory towards men in the false assumption that low female population isn’t an internal cause

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by lambdasquirrel »

csomar wrote: post #168
deaddodo wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a company a few years back where the hiring manager for the engineering and product teams proudly exclaimed that she would actively go against hiring a man, until the teams were at minimum 50% women and would maintain this ratio once she reached that goal. Totally admirable intention, for sure (if only viewed from the lens of strict equality). But I’m sure the 90% of applicants that were male wouldn’t see…

> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women Is this a Western/US thing? Woman STEM graduates outnumber man in a number of countries. Mine and Iran for example but most Muslim countries have strong woman numbers. I don't think STEM in the west is discriminatory to women, out of the blue. It can't be more discriminatory than Iran? Unless, there is data and research that suggests otherwise.

Not just Muslim countries but Asia’s numbers are more even too. Not sure what happened but the West got leapfrogged by a lot of the rest of the world in this regard. We like to think we’re the shining light of progressivism but the reality may be more complicated than that.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by nerdponx »

csomar wrote: post #168
deaddodo wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked at a company a few years back where the hiring manager for the engineering and product teams proudly exclaimed that she would actively go against hiring a man, until the teams were at minimum 50% women and would maintain this ratio once she reached that goal. Totally admirable intention, for sure (if only viewed from the lens of strict equality). But I’m sure the 90% of applicants that were male wouldn’t see…

> STEM is 100% historically discriminatory to women Is this a Western/US thing? Woman STEM graduates outnumber man in a number of countries. Mine and Iran for example but most Muslim countries have strong woman numbers. I don't think STEM in the west is discriminatory to women, out of the blue. It can't be more discriminatory than Iran? Unless, there is data and research that suggests otherwise.

I think the issue is one of hiring, promotion, and pay. It's widely reported in the USA that women generally do better in school than men.

Re: Google exec fired after female boss groped him at drunken bash, suit says

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Post by blindriver »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #95
caminante wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Probably worth noting this story was first published by the New York Post. Take that for what you will. Instead of an ad hominem dogwhistle, please describe how the paper's political leanings could bias its reporting here. At face value, it's workplace sexual assault allegations with a power imbalance.

> Instead of an ad hominem dogwhistle I don't think that's what "dogwhistle" means. IIUC, dog-whistling is surreptitiously sending a message to some readers, but having plausible deniability and/or non-recognition for the rest of the readers.

To me, all these new terms that have no actual meaning to what they are trying to describe is very annoying. Terms like "phishing", "gaslighting", "bike shedding", "yak shaving", "dog whistle", "gatekeeping" are extremely confusing to understand because there's no direct connection to what they are trying to imply. You literally have to memorize what it means and it's generally unguessable.
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