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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #147
Jensson wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you get delisted from search and don't show up on exact match searches then I'd say that they banned you in some way. That is what Twitter does and what Bing did here. We call what Twitter does "shadow ban" since they still show you to yourself, to people subscribing to you and people with a direct link, but nobody else can find you, it isn't a total shadow ban but they are doing something very similar to a shadow…

There is no such thing as a total or less than total shadow ban. If you are visible with anyone with a direct link you aren't shadow banned it Bubble ban is also poor verbiage because not appearing in anyone's feed or search results is the default condition not inherently a punishment or redaction. A search is inherently a selection process and it's perfectly valid to say some content isn't fit to appear anywhere in…

Reddit also shadow bans new accounts. You won't realize it until you open your user profile link in incognito.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by kordlessagain »

No mention of robots.txt on the post, nor here in the comments.

After a bit of poking around, it would appear Bing may need an allow block to crawl. I don't know what DDG does, but the author's site effectively has nothing in the robots.txt file, other than a commented out Disallow block. From doing this before in the past, I suggest include the following:

  User-agent: *
  Allow: /

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by antod »

Semaphor wrote: post #35
rzzzt wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

XSLT is a template language where you match snippets of XML using XPath expressions and output... anything else, in this case HTML using templates that can make use of the attributes, inner content, etc. of the captured XML portion. "An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."

> "An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age." One of the ideas people had back then was having a product catalog in XML that your tool would give you, and that you could upload to your website and display as a nice website via XSLT. It was such a fascinating technology when I learned about it, but I’m not sure if it ever saw any serious use? Maybe in enterprise?

It had some use. I'm pretty sure IE used to support client side transformations when rendering XML that linked an XSLT file. I know one SaaS used to do that before they rearchitected their front end.

But XSLT was not fun work with.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by richardjam73 »

beej71 wrote: post #106

I have exactly this problem. Beej's Guide to Network Programming is indexed just fine. Beej's Guide to C won't index. The automated tool says it's in violation of some unnamed rule, but I can't figure out which. There's zero SEO, tracking, or ads, and the content is educational and G-rated. All the other guides index just fine. I asked for a review and they came back with the same ambiguous message. Eventually I just…

It seems to show up for me. Perhaps it is fixed now.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=c+guide+stdalign&t=ffab&ia=web

brings up your guide as the 6th result.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by maxbond »

_8j50 wrote: post #116

HN taught me first hand on how horrible shadow banning is. You all tolerate this here so it's mighty hypocritical of you to criticize Bing. I'll say it again: It comes down to how you treat people. Treat others the way you want to be treated. No one wants to be shadowbanned and we can all agree it is a decidedly cowardly and cruel thing to do. And you can't use "quality" or anything short of being coerced as an excus…

HN's "shadow bans" aren't hidden and allow you to keep posting. Isn't that more tolerant than most other forms of banning?

I have showdead turned on. I see fresh accounts that are automatically dead on each comment which are legit contributions, probably because they're using Tor or a widely abused VPN; that's the only common miscarriage of HN moderation I regularly see, and I vouch for house comments. Those accounts should be in the clear after a week or something like that. I have a couple comments I feel shouldn't be dead, but I can see how others would feel differently, and I have I believe 3 dead comments out of >3000 (many of which expressed views others vocally disagreed with, and I generally feel my views are not particularly popular on HN). But most of the dead comments I see are obviously harmful to discussion. The last time I saw hate speech from a banned HN account - was earlier today. What is it I'm missing here?

It's all well and good to say, treat others as you'd like to be treated. But I don't want to be harassed either. So I forgo harassing people sure. But what's to be done about the people harassing me?

Are you perhaps unaware of a phenomenon called the paradox of tolerance where, if you extend universal tolerance to everyone, including those who use their speech to silence others (through threats, harassment, shouting over people, poisoning the well, etc), you still end up with a forum in which not everyone can share their ideas?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by frickinLasers »

SonOfLilit wrote: post #154
michaelmrose wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually outright porn is indexed you know or so I hear.

Indexed, but only returned if the search query was explicitly and unambiguously about porn.

Not true, I've had pages of x-rated results with SafeSearch on, with DDG and Bing, a couple of times. The search only needs to be sufficiently weird.

see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31334670

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Post by beej71 »

richardjam73 wrote: post #184
beej71 wrote: post #106

I have exactly this problem. Beej's Guide to Network Programming is indexed just fine. Beej's Guide to C won't index. The automated tool says it's in violation of some unnamed rule, but I can't figure out which. There's zero SEO, tracking, or ads, and the content is educational and G-rated. All the other guides index just fine. I asked for a review and they came back with the same ambiguous message. Eventually I just…

It seems to show up for me. Perhaps it is fixed now. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=c+guide+stdalign&t=ffab&ia=web brings up your guide as the 6th result.

I have to add "beej" to the search, and then it hits my C Library Reference Guide. But the C Tutorial Guide is nowhere to be found. :(
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