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New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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I think the intention matters. If you did it to spite the guy behind you then you are at fault. If you did it because you thought something might cross the road and just wanted to be safe then it's not your fault even if nothing crossed the road or nothing was really there.

Tesla’s FSD/autopilot does not act with intention as we understand it.

No intention, no fault. But definitely unsafe lane change, I think.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Tesla’s FSD/autopilot does not act with intention as we understand it.

No intention, no fault. But definitely unsafe lane change, I think.

How convenient for Tesla. I doubt we would think this way if your wheel flew off your civic because of a design flaw in the axle.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Perhaps "Semi-Automated Driving" is a more accurate term than "Full Self Driving", but I'm guessing FSD is a better acronym to use than SAD.

It's also probably a lot easier to convince people to drop 15k on "Full Self Driving" as opposed to "Semi-Automated Driving"

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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I do love the ACC on my car. One of the worst parts of road trips is following cars you don't want to or can't pass. The ACC totally solves it. I don't see how you were really able to use cruise to follow another car at all before? Even 1mph too slow is not great and if the car in front isn't using any cruise control at all it could be 5mph too slow and then 5mph too fast.

In my car without ACC, I just hit the up/down buttons to adjust the speed for the car in front. Not a big deal when there's a small speed difference, but certainly not as convenient as ACC.

Some percentage of people (probably well into double digits) don't know about the up and down speed adjustment buttons.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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This is an honest question here but why is the pile up so bad if driving conditions were ideal? The next 6 drivers were not keeping a safe distance or paying attention?

I think it’s mostly caused by the folks making abrupt lane changes as the Tesla slows down. You can see people start to swerve into other lanes instead of just slowing down (they are looking in their side mirrors to avoid the slow car and sometimes even accelerate). I’ve had this happen where you are cruising at a speed and the person in front of you serves to avoid a slow car and now you lose all of the time to react by changing lanes as well

I’d even wager if that pickup hadn’t swerved and everyone just slowed down it wouldn’t have piled up

Side tangent, I love watching car crash videos. Really interesting to see how the system breaks down and people make mistakes. I spend hours on YouTube sometimes :)

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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Doesn't look like phantom break, which is usually very sudden and no lane change. Most likely the driver was hands off the wheel and was warned multiple times before the car pulled itself over.

The police report claims “Full Self Driving Mode Beta Version.”

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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I think what's interesting here is it's likely the first instance where Tesla FSD has been involved in an accident which affected other drivers. [Edit] From the video the Tesla is making a lane change and stopping simultaneously which means there could be a case of the Tesla FSD/driver doing a unsafe lane change.[1] Most of the time FSD just wrecks the Tesla itself or injures the driver of the Tesla (i.e. running int…

FSD does not activate on freeways. This is not FSD. It's the same Autopilot that has been in use for many years.

Re: New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

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I do love the ACC on my car. One of the worst parts of road trips is following cars you don't want to or can't pass. The ACC totally solves it. I don't see how you were really able to use cruise to follow another car at all before? Even 1mph too slow is not great and if the car in front isn't using any cruise control at all it could be 5mph too slow and then 5mph too fast.

I just did a 1500+ mile road trip over the holidays. During the drive, I was trying to figure out why old-tech (2005) cruise control worked so well. Even a 1 mph differential in speed is a car length change in following distance every 10 seconds. A 1/2 mph difference is 3 car lengths of change every minute. That seems like enough that would be annoying, but it obviously wasn’t when two cars are following each other b…

A 1 MPH pass doesn't take that long in absolute terms, but 15 car lengths (to maintain 7 car lengths in between at 70 MPH) still takes a solid 2.5 minutes to complete, during which you are nominally blocking the passing lane. (I say nominally because once there is a 2 car length gap between you and the other car, other drivers will be passing you on the right.)
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