NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Retric » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:09 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #167

remote_phone wrote: post #138

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> Tickets are nonrefundable because otherwise the network doesn't work, financially. This is 100% false. Southwest Airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the US and their refund policy for refundable flights is a full refund up to 10 mins before the flight. For nonrefundable flights you get full credit if you cancel up to 10 mins before your flight, with no additional fees. During the pandemic, ALL airlin…

The airlines were buoyed by PPP loans.

Which didn’t even fully cover the dramatic drop in customers let alone these policy changes.

What people forget is companies are in competition, if every airline is forced to refund ticks then the industry simply reaches a new equilibrium with very slightly higher ticket prices. However, if any airline defects to worse customer service they all end up doing the same. Thus the need for customer focused regulations.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by xg15 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:11 PM UTC

HWR_14 wrote: post #107

causi wrote: post #68

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The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

They want to avoid the following situation. X% of the time a plane crashes and costs $Y. It costs $Z to cancel/delay a flight due to penalties and compensation. $Z > X% of $Y, therefore fly the unsafe flight. So they lower $Y in the case that it's a safety issue to save lives.

The free market at work. "Do you want me to provide plain bad service or bad service that also puts the customers' lives at risk? The choice is yours, dear regulator!"

But more seriously, I think the sibling posts are right here: A plane crash is more than a monetary risk: In the worst case, managers of the airline could be criminally liable for lost lives.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by butlerm » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:11 PM UTC

true_religion wrote: post #121

sorokod wrote: post #118

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Who are "they"and why would "they" want to do that? Asking because flying passengers on unsafe planes is already illegal.

They are the Canadian government and they want to do that because keeping their citizens alive is part of their job.

Not as much of their job as it used to be unfortunately. But that is a topic for another day.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by Retric » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:20 PM UTC

0dayz wrote: post #180

denton-scratch wrote: post #176

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Not really; I refuse to vote for evil politicians (it keeps my karma nice and shiny). Unless voting is mandatory, you can simply not vote for anyone. My practice is to vote for someone that won't win, like the Greens, but for whom my vote might save them their deposit.

Sure, but then you can't either act surprised when the more evil politicians are elected and blame people for either not voting or voting for better politicians. You get what you vote or don't vote for

That’s only looking at a single election. Being willing to vote for scum means your party is happy to send scum to the next general election, at which point you get to vote for even more scum.

Have some standards in the general election and people start looking at scum thinking their not electable.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by butlerm » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:23 PM UTC

xwdv wrote: post #167

remote_phone wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tickets are nonrefundable because otherwise the network doesn't work, financially. This is 100% false. Southwest Airlines is one of the most profitable airlines in the US and their refund policy for refundable flights is a full refund up to 10 mins before the flight. For nonrefundable flights you get full credit if you cancel up to 10 mins before your flight, with no additional fees. During the pandemic, ALL airlin…

The airlines were buoyed by PPP loans.

Airlines did not qualify for PPP loans. They did receive substantial direct support from the federal government however. PPP "loans" were reserved for businesses with less than five hundred employees that weren't worth very much (relatively speaking) either.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by hackernewds » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:29 PM UTC

dietr1ch wrote: post #153

philistine wrote: post #87

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You can also blame the system. The fact any sort of executive official can rewrite what the legislative wrote is insane. To hell with your limericks about checks and balances. Once a bill's done, no one ought to be able to stop anything.

It's working as intended

Why so?

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by 0dayz » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:31 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #184

0dayz wrote: post #180

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Sure, but then you can't either act surprised when the more evil politicians are elected and blame people for either not voting or voting for better politicians. You get what you vote or don't vote for

That’s only looking at a single election. Being willing to vote for scum means your party is happy to send scum to the next general election, at which point you get to vote for even more scum. Have some standards in the general election and people start looking at scum thinking their not electable.

If you want better politicians, there are two things you can do:

Vote in primaries, there are different rules about this but if it means you have to join and participate in party activity to vote for a candidate then so be it.

hold them accountable together as ironic as it is: as a lobbying group, or even more grandiose work together with as many citizens of the state (even across the party line, no craziness though), to hold the governor/politician accountable.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by 62346136 » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:35 PM UTC

denton-scratch wrote: post #176

themitigating wrote: post #163

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We often have to vote for the lesser of two evils.

Not really; I refuse to vote for evil politicians (it keeps my karma nice and shiny). Unless voting is mandatory, you can simply not vote for anyone. My practice is to vote for someone that won't win, like the Greens, but for whom my vote might save them their deposit.

Refusing to vote doesn't change the outcome if the only choices are bad ones. If anything it means you effectively voted for whoever had the majority in the end and are still guilty of supporting the greater evil if they turn out to be such.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by butlerm » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:42 PM UTC

katbyte wrote: post #127

codekansas wrote: post #125

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I'm not sure I understand what the alternative is - should you pretend that corporations are not ruthless profit maximizers, and allow them to have undue sway over our legislative system all the same? It seems like the root of the problem is that we've let the institutions which are supposed to hold our politicians to account when they exhibit blatant corruption fall into disrepair.

Do not allow corporations to lobby and influence the law. Do no allow politicians to profit from changes to the law (ie playing the stock markets) Companies are not people and do not have rights.

A corporation is a type of association and has rights that are derivative of its member's rights. An association is composed of people. The only reason why a corporation (or other association) has First Amendment rights is because it is exercising the First Amendment rights of its owners and members. The personhood of a corporation is a legal fiction. The personhood of the ultimate members or shareholders of a corporation is not.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by noisy_boy » Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 12:52 PM UTC

Sakos wrote: post #122

causi wrote: post #68

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The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

We accidentally dropped a screw in your pizza and had to cancel it as a safety issue. Sorry, no refunds. Brilliant!

I think the response to that would be (based on the assumption that this safety clause is being routinely thrown around), "why do you keep dropping screws in so many pizzas?"