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Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Photos are a good example of why a filesystem hierarchy is insufficiently expressive. You might want to search for pictures of me at parties, or pictures with me and my wife, or pictures from 1999, or pictures of LA, and the same photo might belong in all of those searches. No single category will ever be a good place for a photo.

This is what I want machine learning and face recognition for. Problems local to my machine, not Orwellian nightmares.

That does seem like a really good solution. Google Photos will prompt you, if I recall correctly, to identify a few faces, and then automatically id the rest. That's fantastic, if you don't have to worry about putting their privacy in Google's hands.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Kay and his collaborators shipped Smalltalk, which was pretty widely used at one time, and which was also highly influential on Objective-C, the language of choice for OS X/macOS and iOS from 1996 to the introduction of Swift in 2014 (many devs are still using Objective-C).

That is fair, but why has he not shipped anything else? He's been content to sit back on his laurels for the past 40 years and make broad statements about OOP and the future of programming. Clearly Smalltalk was not the pinnacle of software development.

What makes you think you know what role he has played?

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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Imagine a proxy that sat between your web browser and the internet, transparently recording to your local storage everything you've ever seen, in context. Imagine Google, back when it still worked, able to search ONLY the stuff you've already seen. That would be incredibly useful. A decade or so ago, there was an intriguing story on Slashdot about a covert operation prior to Desert Storm that simply recorded the wave…

This exists! It's called Rewind. It's incredible It records everything you've seen, said, or heard, and lets you search it https://www.rewind.ai/

That's even better than I thought... not just stuff in the browser, but everything put into context. One of these days it'll reach me.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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By coincidence I am moving off of Evernote right now. I broke down everything I used Evernote for right now to plan the roll off. I largely use EN for the GTD system. The first GTD step is just capturing info. EN still does this better than any other tool. EN used to be better at managing large data - but the last major release broke all that. For some reason they favored the new user over the power user. Some of the…

> EN seems to be the only tool that converts email to a note. Do you keep the original mail format? As far as I can see (and I recall), Evernote just embeds the original mail and attaches an HTML copy as well (so you can view it).

The EN email note is somewhat kludgy. It was better before the last major upgrade. Before the last upgrade it was seamless to other EN notes. I suspect but don't know what broke.

BTW - they kept around the EN classic app because so many things broke. For a while I was going back and forth between the two.

The EN competitors want you to convert email to a PDF. One of the competitors said they would have to have an email server to convert email to a note. They said this is hard.

I am OK that it is hard for everyone except Apple. Apple does already have an email server. Why are they forcing me to convert the email to a PDF?

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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> EN seems to be the only tool that converts email to a note. Do you keep the original mail format? As far as I can see (and I recall), Evernote just embeds the original mail and attaches an HTML copy as well (so you can view it).

The EN email note is somewhat kludgy. It was better before the last major upgrade. Before the last upgrade it was seamless to other EN notes. I suspect but don't know what broke. BTW - they kept around the EN classic app because so many things broke. For a while I was going back and forth between the two. The EN competitors want you to convert email to a PDF. One of the competitors said they would have to have an ema…

It's hard to do right, because the mail format has to deal with MIME types, and all kinds of ancient kludgy stuff. They send mail in multi-part, and you see the part that your mail client wants to render. Sometimes they send only html, sometimes you get text and html. Sometimes it's a an image embedded in the e-mail message.

On top of that every mail service wants to do something different.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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I have a blog post that I've been sketching out in my head about this whole area of Tools for Thought, future of computing, cybernetics, etc. Basically I find that the thoughtleaders of this space seem to always claim that the true manifestation of their ideas is just out of reach (Project Xanadu, memex, object oriented programming, etc.), but then never deliver this true manifestation. Indeed it's rather remarkable…

> Indeed it's rather remarkable how many of these figures like Vannevar Bush, Alan Kay, Douglas Engelbart, etc., never actually shipped much. Now, you could argue that they were ahead of their time and couldn't ship, and for some of these people you would be right.

No, I'd argue, they were able to ship. To a surprising degree, given what they had at the time. Perhaps you know who they are and what their influences are, but I don't think you've looked at their work in depth if that's what you came away with.

Alan Kay et al shipped Smalltalk and the Alto machines at a time when personal computers weren't even a thing. That means inventing all the hardware and the software concepts.

Engelbart et al. Shipped all the modern ideas of computing that you take for granted today--networking, mouse, bitmap displays. In 1963, six years before people landed on the moon.

"We had to make our own computer display. You couldn’t buy them. I think it cost us $90,000 in 1963 money. We just had to build it from scratch. The display driver was a hunk of electronics 3 feet by 4 feet."

> But c'mon now, Alan Kay is still kicking, and still talking about how programming should be reinvented. Douglas Engelbart lived into the 2010's. It's more that these fantastical futuristic ideas, if they were released, would probably not live up to their sales pitches.

I have a more generous take on this. They talk about these things still, because deep ideas are hard to convey. We've copied some of the surface ideas, but we still are missing some things. I thought I knew what OOP was from my experience with C++, Java, Objective C, and Ruby, but it wasn't until I looked at Smalltalk that I saw the ideas were actually quite different.

All this to say that, we agree they're visionaries, but I disagree that they didn't ship. They did indeed ship, at a time when they had to invent the tools and concepts to build what they built.

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kay and his collaborators shipped Smalltalk, which was pretty widely used at one time, and which was also highly influential on Objective-C, the language of choice for OS X/macOS and iOS from 1996 to the introduction of Swift in 2014 (many devs are still using Objective-C).

That is fair, but why has he not shipped anything else? He's been content to sit back on his laurels for the past 40 years and make broad statements about OOP and the future of programming. Clearly Smalltalk was not the pinnacle of software development.

Like I said earlier, you probably haven't looked at Alan Kay's work in depth.

What did he do after Smalltalk? If it seems like nothing, it may be because you weren't the target demographics. He cared about teaching children computational thinking. Squeak, Etoys, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay#Subsequent_work

Re: Unbundling Tools for Thought

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On 'The Uselessness Of Scale': I found after spending substantial time learning, customizing, and using tools like docs/roam/notion/obsidian/logseq/bear/etc is that what I truly lacked is a medium for playful design and frictionless neural-to-text.

I found kinopio.club on a whim and it has been the highest ROI tool from getting the maelstrom of brainsauce ripped out and straight to something like paper. It's shame free, and anti-pornographic, unlike the way I feel with all these crunchy roam-likes.

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