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Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by YuryVladkov »

jordanbeiber wrote: post #54
phpisthebest wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I somewhat agree, but I have had bad experiences at micro companies as well (companies under 75 employees) My experience the sweet spot is privately held corporations above 200 employees below 1000-2000 employees. Privately held is a key part, all publicly traded companies suck IMO

Can confirm. I have spent some time trying all kinds, and below 2k, not public and preferably founder and majority shareholder as CEO is just perfect. You have to focus on actual value, and empire-building is kept to a minimum.

I could not find any tech company like this. all these silicon valley startups just focus on IPO and getting a huge return from stock market.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by YuryVladkov »

obynio wrote: post #180

Happened to me as well, I got a visa and an offer to work in Japan. I resigned from my current company, send the leave notice for my apartment, started packing and was supposed to fly there a month later. Omicron appeared a few weeks later, Japan sealed their borders, canceled all pending visa. No exception. But Japanese nationals were still allowed to travel freely anywhere and get working visa for Europe (of course…

feels just bad.. sigh. It is good that you could recover yourself. I am waiting for holiday season to end so that I can talk with my old company. They already sent me exit interview etc so I am skeptical if it can be reversible

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by ranman »

Relighted wrote: post #176

#damagecontrol. Check out the amzn offers in EU asap, you were hired and that's status @amzn as long as the recruiter has any kind of hart they will get you on the table of eu recruiters. Good luck. Thare the exact positions urls to them you have a strong belief you fit.

The amazon recruiters are some of the most idiotic humans you'll ever meet. At least in NAMER. When I was hiring at AWS I would actively try to avoid the candidate talking to the recruiter too much because the recruiter would frequently say things that were entirely false.

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Post by extasia »

vertis wrote: post #104

Hi YuryVladkov, This really sucks. There is lots of advice but one piece of advice worth mentioning is that you can freelance (e.g. Estonian or other EU company) and then you can use visa free days and live like a digital nomad. Depending on your origin country a lot of countries have visa free travel. In the EU you can stay indefinitely by going in and out of the schengen zone. Using Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bul…

Note that Croatia is joining schengen in 2023.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by hnlmorg »

qaq wrote: post #178
hnlmorg wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the jobs outside of Silicon Valley will generally pay less too (unless you happen to be in another tech hub, but expect the cost of living to be greater there too). So you’re literally making the same point :)

While they pay less (not always) they pay better than EU one's plus taxes are lower in US.

It’s not a competition. ;)

Jokes aside, I think your details are a little biased. Plenty of European tech hubs pay competitive salaries. And I know many Americans view tax as a net loss but Europeans do actually get a bunch of services for free because of taxes. Stuff Americans have to worry about on top of their daily daily lives.

It’s not really possible to compare two counties as a like for like in the way yourself and the GP were attempting to. And my point wasn’t to say Europe is better or worse than America. Just that plenty of people in European tech hubs have a very decent standard of living too. You don’t have to work in America to earn a decent wage.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by temporary22 »

vikingerik wrote: post #126
tyingq wrote: post #17

Rescinding an offer that's tied to a visa is just extra shitty, sorry this happened to you. Surely they know the consequences that you'll suffer. I wonder if the Amazon leadership chain that collectively decided to do this has any remorse. Edit: Feels like something that governments should tie to individual company's ability to use the visa program. Rescind a visa-tied offer (for no-fault-of-applicant reason), and we…

On that last, beware the law of unintended consequence: that penalty would serve as a deterrent against making offers to visa users in the first place, if the company had no route out of it once offered. It's the same idea as European worker protection employment laws compared to the US: they sound good, but the effect is that companies have to be slower to hire when firing is that much harder.

> but the effect is that companies have to be slower to hire when firing is that much harder.

Which is good. Nobody wants a work environment that changes every five minutes.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by mafuy »

chonkerz wrote: post #174
mafuy wrote: post #132

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> that penalty would serve as a deterrent against making offers to visa users It would put the additional costs they create to be visible. This is as it should be, since visa users do cost more than hiring domestic. However, it would not be much more. And if amazon deems it to be too expensive, then other companies which are more efficient can take up the spare visa users, just as the free market intends.

They should pay a penalty if they do this to someone domestically too. It's shitty.

Shitty, yes. But it goes (slightly) beyond the area that I would deem to be indubitable.

Re: Amazon rescinding the offer while I am on the notice period

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Post by mijamo »

parasense wrote: post #138
prng2021 wrote: post #65

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The better option would have been to hire him. How is that not obvious? Amazon as a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company can absorb the expense of employing him. I’m the worst case, they can lay off an existing low performing employee to compensate.

> Amazon as a multi-national, multi-billion dollar company can absorb the expense of employing him. That is a very charitable opinion. The idea that because a company is large enough, or profitable enough, that it therefore should be compelled to hire indefinitely, or never shrink in size. Let me ask, is it your opinion that economies only ever grow forward, that companies in the economy never shrink?

You can downsize without firing anyone.
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