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Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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I would love to see "fusion Manhattan project", this planet is well overdue for new gigantic R&D projects such as Manhattan and Apollo.

Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam?

off-topic, but related. Ulam's "Adventures of a Mathematician" is an excellent and very inspiring book.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

#182

Here's your most exciting paragraph > LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE). Many advanced science and technology developments are still needed to achieve simple, affordable IFE to power homes and busines…

The question on my mind is: where do I sign up to join this effort?!

Edit: I'm Canadian, the question is rhetorical.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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I would love to see "fusion Manhattan project", this planet is well overdue for new gigantic R&D projects such as Manhattan and Apollo.

Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam?

Hiding behind the names of institutions that got smart enough to not give the peons fame or recognition.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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That isn’t what this would be used for. In fact, yields for the largest deployed H-bombs today I think are smaller than they once were (due to better targeting capabilities).

What do you think the US nuclear weapons research lab will use their research for? You're right that increasing the yield was a bad example from my side, but the purpose is to improve the weapons, nothing else.

The purpose of NIF, and it’s not hidden, is to maintain the existing US nuclear stockpile since we can no longer rely on using underground nuclear weapon testing to ensure they still work. There’s a very big supercomputing capability funded under the same effort. Instead of testing the weapons by exploding them underground, we use computer modeling with the modeling validated (ie backed up) by experiment (at NIF) to make sure the stockpile works and can maintain its strategic deterrent. The euphemistic name for this is “stockpile stewardship.”

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

#185
Another good time to remind everyone that the inventor of the maser (which led to the laser), Charles Townes, was discouraged by his department chair (allegedly): "Look, you should stop the work you are doing. It isn't going to work. You know it's not going to work, we know it's not going to work. You're wasting money, Just stop!" A few months later, it worked. [1]

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2015/01/29/charles_townes_nobel_...

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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The Q needs to be something like 500 to 1000, not because of energy breakeven, but to produce enough energy that the shot is financially positive. The amount of fusion energy produced in this shot is worth a penny or two. (And even then, it's dubious a laser fusion scheme will be competitive with other energy sources.)

It will get there. It's just a matter of time and resources. The destination will be a milestone for humanity, so we should not give up.

It will get there, but it won't be from NIF or via any technology developed for this experiment. What they are doing is not viable for a rector, won't ever be viable for a reactor, and won't even be considered a starting point for any future rector.

It's a fusion plasma research experiment. It's not a program that is being run with the goal of creating a usable fusion energy power plant.

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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That’s only because they’re using old school flash pumped lasers, not the new solid state lasers you’d use today if you wanted to make a power plant demo.

Can solid state lasers produce the high energy needed here?

Yes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Inertial_Fusion_Energy#M...

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam?

> Who are our modern J. Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi, Richard Feynman, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, and Stanislaw Ulam? they're working on getting you to click on an ad

yeah. But some are apparently working at Livermore Nat. Lab still. Also, I feel like there is a bunch at SpaceX, Tesla, NASA, DeepMind and OpenAI

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

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> LLNL’s experiment surpassed the fusion threshold by delivering 2.05 megajoules (MJ) of energy to the target, resulting in 3.15 MJ of fusion energy output, demonstrating for the first time a most fundamental science basis for inertial fusion energy (IFE) Yesterday, everyone was complaining about the 2.2:2.0 ratio, but now we're working with 3.15:2.05. With modern lasers, that'd be a total Q of 0.375 assuming 100% ef…

The Q needs to be something like 500 to 1000, not because of energy breakeven, but to produce enough energy that the shot is financially positive. The amount of fusion energy produced in this shot is worth a penny or two. (And even then, it's dubious a laser fusion scheme will be competitive with other energy sources.)

>The Q needs to be something like 500 to 1000

Why wouldn't a final Q of 50 be economically viable? Interest on capital costs? Other?

Re: US Department of Energy: Fusion Ignition Achieved

#190

Let's say this all works out and over the next few decades fusion replaces all other electricity generation, and we're past the point where all the initial infrastructure costs have been paid for. How much will my electric bill be reduced?

  > How much will my electric bill be reduced?
Your bill will be the same, or higher. But you'll be doing so much more with electricity. Push a button, and your clothes are clean in seconds. Push a button, and your beard is shaved in seconds. Push a button, and four of your five senses are entertained for hours.
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