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SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

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Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#181

Having followed a lot of the SBF discussion since he keeps giving interviews, here's the FAQ-- 1) How did you lose $5ish billion of customer deposits? - They were deposited to Alameda, a totally independent hedge fund run by an unrelated party (my ex-girlfriend who lives with me). We credited Alameda without properly debiting Alameda on FTX. 2) Why didn't you track them? - There was a bug in the dashboard. I made a b…

> - There was a bug in the dashboard. I made a boneheaded mistake. Oopsies. Will this hold up in court? Can you go to jail for bugs in dashboards?

I don't really know if there's precedence here.

Normally, to burn billions of dollars, you need to be an executive in a big, established corporation that has controls in place to avoid that sort of thing from happening. It's much harder to claim negligence if you conveniently found a way to sidestep all of that in some sophisticated manner.

FTX is kinda different. With crypto in general, you have relatively new, private companies operating in a space with almost no regulation, getting millions/billions of dollars thrown at them by VCs and customers in a short period of time. It would be possible for a software bug to burn money at an unprecedented rate in a crypto company when compared to a big established bank or something.

Even though that is possible, I can't imagine that argument holding up for SBF. I think it'll be tough to buy SBF claim he's a simple startup founder who got in over his head when lawyers present stuff like FTX's corporate structure. But IANAL and all that, so it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#182

I met someone who claimed they lost money in FTX when I was taking four figures in winnings from boomers at the poker room yesterday. (Could have been just table talk -- you can't trust anything you here in that context, just like you should take psudoanonymous internet comments from some guy named "Greg" with a grain of salt.) I didn't have a ton of sympathy for him or her, since this is the flip side of engaging in…

> I met someone who claimed they lost money in FTX > Could have been just table talk -- you can't trust anything you here in that context I was expecting something more noteworthy. Many people lost money. Does anyone know if FTX.us users are completely made whole?

>completely made whole

Both the FDIC and NCUA only insure deposits up to ~250k USD IIRC.

Why would you expect differently in a less regulated context?

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I met someone who claimed they lost money in FTX > Could have been just table talk -- you can't trust anything you here in that context I was expecting something more noteworthy. Many people lost money. Does anyone know if FTX.us users are completely made whole?

>completely made whole Both the FDIC and NCUA only insure deposits up to ~250k USD IIRC. Why would you expect differently in a less regulated context?

Because SBF said FTX.us wasn’t impacted.

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#184

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Here [0] is the current membership of the committee (note it will change in 2023). I don't expect too many tough questions. [0] https://financialservices.house.gov/about/committee-membersh...

> I don't expect too many tough questions. Wanna bet? He's super unpopular across the aisle and politicians are quick to turn on donors if they are dead in the water.

Cory Booker had no problem putting in a good word for Elizabeth Holmes.

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#185

If someone has a direct contact to someone from the committee please forward them this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o_jPzBZSIo

Not to defend SBF or suggest he did anything correct, but isn't that _negligence_? Given that the factors of the negligence benefited their operations, it still may be charged as fraud and he may be guilty in court.

Couldn't anyone committing fraud just claim negligence? I'd imagine it is pretty common for people doing fraud to try to cover it with negligence, like not keeping records of money going "missing"

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#186

The fact that this guy has not been arrested just goes to show how completely f*cked America is.

It took the feds 3 years to indict Kenneth Lay for Enron. You’re going to be waiting a while. Feds get one shot at a case and they don’t tend to lose for a reason. By arresting him now he can force a speedy trial. Feds are going to gather every single ounce of evidence they can before they go after him.

>You’re going to be waiting a while.

He's been arrested.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/12/ftx-founder-sam-bankman-frie...

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#187

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My understanding is the Bahamas has confiscated his passport and is working with the DOJ to decide who prosecutes first as they aren't happy he ripped off rich people either.

Source?

Don't have a direct source, I've only been following loosely, but he was just arrested by the Bahamas government https://twitter.com/tier10k/status/1602446984090107905

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is the Bahamas has confiscated his passport and is working with the DOJ to decide who prosecutes first as they aren't happy he ripped off rich people either.

What are the odds that Bahamas authorities were previously partners in his scheme, and now want to keep him in the Bahamas simply so they can loot the corpse of FTX before anybody else can?

They just arrested him on behalf of the US and say they plan on processing his extradition quickly once it is formally requested. I don't think they like the spotlight.

https://twitter.com/tier10k/status/1602446984090107905

Re: SBF scheduled to testify tomorrow at US House hearing on FTX collapse

#189

Shouldn't be be in custody?

My understanding is the Bahamas has confiscated his passport and is working with the DOJ to decide who prosecutes first as they aren't happy he ripped off rich people either.

My understanding is if you want to launder money, that you create a business in the Bahamas or some other Caribbean island. I don't think the authorities there are really the best arbitrators of truth.
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