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Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by acdha »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #134
pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

> But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? Honestly, it might not be. My Apple TV 4k seems slow as molasses with performance more like an AMLogic 905. Not sure if it’s because it doesn’t have enough RAM, the flash is slow or the CPU is just way under powered. Yes, they advertise it as an A12Z or whatever, but it’s a binned part that wasn’t acceptable f…

That sounds like you may have defective hardware or something else like an overheated environment forcing it to throttle. On a standard unit everything built-in is snappy.

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Post by Destitute »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #164
CharlesW wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> …why don't they call this karaoke? One notable difference is that with Apple Music Sing you're singing to the original track instead of an instrumental reproduction.

> Adjustable vocals: Users now have control over a song’s vocal levels. They can sing with the original artist vocals, take the lead, or mix it up on millions of songs in the Apple Music catalog. Everyone I know would call that karaoke. And I assume will when telling their friends about this new feature. If I search for Apple Sing on google news, the first 5 articles all call it "karaoke-like" or just "a karaoke feat…

When I think karaoke, I think microphone. It appears this makes no use of a microphone or captures the singer's vocals in any way, it just isolates the instrumental tracks and eliminates or reduces the vocal track.

A microphone (and ideally having your own vocals mixed with the audio output) is the core feature of karaoke, not playing an instrumental version of the song.

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Post by reaperducer »

brookst wrote: post #130
zorrolovsky wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy. Pushing users to upgrade devices is unethical and harmful. Apple does it all the time and they should be held accountable for that. Discarding old devices and creating new ones destroys the environment and increases pollution. The best device is the device you already own! Their successful busines…

Apple products have longer lifespans than competitors'[0]. There's just a secondary market, which is more environmentally efficient. It's a very different world, so it's understandable that people not in the Apple ecosystem see "buy a new iPad" as synonymous with "throw old iPad in trash." But that's not what happens at all. The actual devices go on being used for a very long time. But ignoring that for a moment, are…

I wish that Apple would expand its recycling intake program.

During the lockdown, I had several Apple products that I wanted to bring to the store for disposal, but Apple wasn't taking any devices at all.

Then, once the restrictions were lifted, I found out that only one of the six Apple Stores in my area takes devices, and it was an hour away.

It seems to me that every Apple retail location should take back devices.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by Closi »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #156
Closi wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> [Apple says it is] relying on an on-device machine learning algorithm that processes the music in real-time. The tech builds on Apple’s noise-cancellation expertise and other developments it’s made for FaceTime, the company said. Source: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/06/apple-music-is-getting-a-n...

Ah, I stand corrected! I wonder why they took that approach...

Not sure - although I would imagine that it would effectively double the storage and bandwidth/data requriement for Apple Music in general if they had to send two files with equal bitrate.

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Post by artursapek »

crazygringo wrote: post #31
pilsetnieks wrote: post #8

> and can be enjoyed on iPhone, iPad, and the new Apple TV 4K But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? I get that they want to push device and service adoption but they should pick a lane, either push users to upgrade devices, or push to sign up to paid services. Pushing for both at the same time is greedy.

It's not explicit, but from the descriptions it seems to suggest it's performing recognition of the audio streams of what's being sung, and even supports dual streams for duets. So I wouldn't be surprised if it relies on a particular hardware chip that the older Apple TV simply doesn't have. That has definitely been the case for everything Apple has launched with regards to Spatial Audio.

As usual, orange site users automatically assume the worst of other people

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by micromacrofoot »

timmytokyo wrote: post #61
romanovcode wrote: post #45

They should introduce "Discover Weekly", "Release Radar" and "Enhanced Playlists". Why are the recommendations lacking so much behind Spotify? That's the only reason I can't switch over and I would love to.

Apple Music has custom play lists, which it updates every week. One of them is the "New Music Mix", which is sort of a combination of Spotify's "Release Radar" and "Discover Weekly" play lists. Apple also has other mix play lists, which are updated weekly: things like "Favorites Mix", "Chill Mix", and "Get Up! Mix". Finally Apple Music has custom "radio stations", which are endless playlists based on your listening h…

I switched to Apple Music for a couple years and recently switched back to Spotify. Two main reasons:

1. The Apple Music desktop app is utter garbage. Other than performance issues and crashing, which happened to me almost daily, the UX is a decade behind. It's dead simple things... like the artist's name on the currently playing track isn't even a link.

2. Spotify's recommendation engine is outrageously better than Apple's. With Spotify I find new music that I actually like almost weekly, with zero effort at all. All Apple does is pigeonhole you with whatever you've listened to recently, I had a day where I listened to "lo-fi chill" music and that's all it recommended to me for weeks.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by alkonaut »

therusskiy wrote: post #162

Spotify released this feature to some users this summer: https://sea.mashable.com/entertainment/20715/spotifys-new-ka... Though I have no idea how to get into this beta test. This is a killer feature for me as I am trying to learn to sing. There are some services online that use AI to split tracks into instruments and vocals that do hell of a job, but trying to combine them with written lyrics again is a pretty painf…

Still no trace of that feature for me either. Is it officially launched?

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Post by layer8 »

hamburglar wrote: post #20
joegahona wrote: post #5

Is this akin to karaoke? (The word never appears on the page.) > Apple today announced Apple Music Sing, an exciting new feature that allows users to sing along to their favorite songs with adjustable vocals1 and real-time lyrics. Users can already "sing along to their favorite songs" -- this feels like a wasted opportunity in the first sentence to explain the differentiator. It feels like they're misusing/misunderst…

I agree with “show don’t tell” as a general rule for effectiveness in cases like this, but I find it really hard to believe anyone is going to read this and not immediately grasp what is meant by “with adjustable vocals and real-time lyrics”. Obviously you can already sing along, and the question about how this makes it better is answered within the same sentence.

Normally it’s important for karaoke that the singer’s voice is amplified to (above) the volume level of the song, and from the description they don’t seem to provide that.

Re: Apple Music Sing

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Post by anonuser123456 »

js2 wrote: post #149
anonuser123456 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the old Apple TV 4K is not powerful enough for displaying text on a TV, even though any old iPhone is? Honestly, it might not be. My Apple TV 4k seems slow as molasses with performance more like an AMLogic 905. Not sure if it’s because it doesn’t have enough RAM, the flash is slow or the CPU is just way under powered. Yes, they advertise it as an A12Z or whatever, but it’s a binned part that wasn’t acceptable f…

I have owned nearly every generation of Apple TV. Other than the original model, I wouldn't describe any of them as slow as molasses. On the contrary, they are consistently the fastest streaming devices I've owned, and I'm comparing to things like Roku (built-in to a TCL), FireTV, and Android TV across a number of devices (Shield Pro, Hisense U6G, Zidoo Z9X). (Technically the Zidoo uses Android, not Android TV.) I cu…

>they are consistently the fastest streaming devices I've owned,

As someone that works on set top box / streaming chips, I don’t think you realize how low that bar is :P

The prev gen ATV 4k is clearly superior, I’m not disputing that. But ‘snappy’ is a relative term. I expect a lot more out of a device sporting the chip it has. I regularly get input lag, stalled apps (that the system cannot recover from for some time), bursted input (like it doesn’t debounce queued remote inputs after stalling)

There are systems level issues that remain unaddressed, and I speculate they are due to hardware bottlenecks somewhere .

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