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Instagram Is Over

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Re: Instagram Is Over

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Post by com2kid »

pixl97 wrote: post #154
com2kid wrote: post #92

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> in younger generations & high-value markets like the US that have higher future cash flows People in their 30s and 40s earn more money than college students and new grads in their 20s, and they are spending that money right now. Facebook groups for home decorating, design, cars, fitness, parenting, all of those are really popular. You can go on Facebook and find a large community dedicated to literally any style of…

>but at some point Facebook may have to be happy with "just" This isn't a Facebook problem, this is a late stage capitalism problem that risks causing our current economies to collapse to the ground.

Companies change over to paying dividends and become boring instead of insane growth companies.

Makes recruiting harder.

Re: Instagram Is Over

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Post by jibe »

chihuahua wrote: post #62
jibe wrote: post #23

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Jibe?

Jibe (verb): change course by swinging a fore-and-aft sail across a following wind. (noun): an act or instance of jibing. GP believes that the Atlantic article constitutes an instance of changing course by swinging a sail across a following wind, presumably metaphorically.

99% sure they meant "gibe", but thought I'd just ask to see if there was some new use of jibe that would make sense that I didn't know about.

gibe - (noun) an insulting or mocking remark; a taunt.

"a gibe at his old rivals"

Re: Instagram Is Over

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Post by sliken »

Animats wrote: post #86

"To scroll through Instagram today is to parse a series of sponsored posts from brands, recommended Reels from people you don’t follow, and the occasional picture from a friend that’s finally surfaced after being posted several days ago. It’s not what it used to be." That seems to be how social media services die. Too many ads, fewer users, revenue drop, more ads to boost revenue, still fewer users, irrelevance. This…

Indeed, seems to be a very common pattern. Poor search, low signal to noise, try to reinforce doom scrolling for more eyeball minutes.

I didn't realize how big an impact that had, till I tried Mastodon. No ads, no patterns to try to keep you online longer. Just posts from who you follow.

What's worse is apparently cell and bluetooth tracking of all customers in realtime is becoming more common. So retailers can optimize their floor layouts so you have to go through as much of the store as possible to get what you want. Trying to stretch out the experience, show you the most ads/products, and lower the signal to noise down close to zero, just like ad driven social media.

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Post by _hypx »

evo wrote: post #131
Animats wrote: post #86

"To scroll through Instagram today is to parse a series of sponsored posts from brands, recommended Reels from people you don’t follow, and the occasional picture from a friend that’s finally surfaced after being posted several days ago. It’s not what it used to be." That seems to be how social media services die. Too many ads, fewer users, revenue drop, more ads to boost revenue, still fewer users, irrelevance. This…

I feel like there’s a natural adoption curve to social media: 1. The growing social media platform balances the needs of two user groups: the consumer’s need for fresh content and the neophyte producer’s need for a slowly ramping trickle of validation. This is possible because the people don’t know how to produce content in the new format yet. 2. The mature social media platform has picked winners. We know who the su…

Agreed. I can't help but feel that many current social media platforms are on step 3 right now.

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Post by ProZsolt »

pixl97 wrote: post #147
pmontra wrote: post #146

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Some social media are like that, others are not. When I read “It’s that I don’t see my actual friend’s posts and they don’t see mine.” I thought that my friends do see my posts and viceversa because we use channels on WhatsApp and Telegram. If all I want is keeping in touch with friends, why should I use media like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok?

Because in the US almost no one uses WhatsApp and Telegram.

You can use Messenger or iMessage the same way.

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Post by nowherebeen »

dopeboy wrote: post #34
nowherebeen wrote: post #3

Social products all have a lifetime value and it’s incredibly short. The same thing will also happen to TikTok one day. I suspect we will learn in the coming decades that social media companies are very profitable in the short term, but not so in the long term, say 20 years, unless the keep introducing new viral social products.

I think this is a lazy conclusion and needs more depth. What’s huge - seismic really - is that people actually prefer to know more about strangers than friends. On average, these strangers tend to be personalities and as a result are more entertaining / interesting / provocative than my typical friend. Combine this with the average person posting less about their life and you end up with a serious problem. Twitter fi…

What you are describing is the broadcast model. Instagram is moving towards that model to compete with TikTok but that is exactly why people stopped using it because it’s no longer the Instagram they were using.

Influencers (aka personalities) are only entertaining for a short period of time. They have constantly churn out new content to keep engaging users. It is because user don’t know them and are less attached.

Therefore as long as TikTok has influencers that can continue to make new content, it will keep attracting new users. But I suspect that this is also not long term sustainable. People, both influencers and users, will get burned out eventually.

Your argument that network model dies because of broadcast model is just one part. My argument still stands that eventually people will get tired of a social media product and move on to the next ones.

Not sure how my observations are lazy though considering your does not provide anymore insight that others didn’t already know… it’s already been reported on Rolling Stone, Venture Beat, etc back in July. Aren’t you just regurgitating their idea with offhand keywords?

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Post by chrischen »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #70
chrischen wrote: post #42

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Tiktok is short addictive videos from randos. Youtube is long addictive videos. Instagram and facebook is still primarily focused on content from people you know, though they are also trying to copy some of TikTok’s randos content via the Reels feature. At the end of the day they just want to get attention by giving content, whether using friends or essentially crowdsourcing. I prefer Netflix, because I’m paying them…

> I prefer Netflix, because I’m paying them and they are not just manipulating me to show ads Sorry to break it to you but Netflix is absolutely manipulating their audience in trying to convince everyone to watch Netflix productions. When Netflix came into the market they had a unique platform and were burning money to get good content in. Now studios realized there is money in streaming and are squeezing Netflix pri…

I don’t understand. What I see on Netflix I either want to watch or not. What does it matter if it is a Netflix production or not? My point is more that I’d rather watch more long form thoughtfully crafted content than short dopamine hits designed to hook me for the purpose of showing ads in between.

Re: Instagram Is Over

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Post by chrischen »

api wrote: post #61
chrischen wrote: post #42

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Tiktok is short addictive videos from randos. Youtube is long addictive videos. Instagram and facebook is still primarily focused on content from people you know, though they are also trying to copy some of TikTok’s randos content via the Reels feature. At the end of the day they just want to get attention by giving content, whether using friends or essentially crowdsourcing. I prefer Netflix, because I’m paying them…

The trend in social media for years has been away from social and toward just addictive content and finding the best way to crowdsource that content. The purpose is becoming simply to get you to spend as much time as possible staring at the phone to sell ads, and nothing more. I predict the next advancement will be pure AI generated content, just a continuous adversarial attack on the human brain programmed to maximi…

Facebook was never really about social. They just stumbled upon the realization that commenting on friends’ stuffs and looking at some of it was addicting. That’s why there was backlash against it because people realized Facebook wasn’t really working to help us improve our social relationships in any way but merely using it to steal our attention, much to our detriment (waste time).

Eventually AI was developed to automate addictive content which is just a more generalized solution yo what FB was doing.

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Post by oska »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #140
Animats wrote: post #86

"To scroll through Instagram today is to parse a series of sponsored posts from brands, recommended Reels from people you don’t follow, and the occasional picture from a friend that’s finally surfaced after being posted several days ago. It’s not what it used to be." That seems to be how social media services die. Too many ads, fewer users, revenue drop, more ads to boost revenue, still fewer users, irrelevance. This…

It's how everything on the internet dies. Advertising infects and ruins pretty much everything. Even normal websites are just as bad, they even have the exact same escalating ads problem. By now the web is unusable without uBlock Origin and Instagram's problem is we can't install an ad blocker on it. There should be a way to speed up this cycle to make them fail faster. These corporations are making way too much mone…

> There should be a way to speed up this cycle to make them fail faster

One way is to consciously leach off them. Use their resources while blocking all of their user tracking and display of advertising. A strategy somewhat stymied however by people who consider it their 'moral duty' to allow themselves to be brainwashed by advertising so as to 'support' these companies.

Re: Instagram Is Over

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Post by esperent »

oe wrote: post #121
denton-scratch wrote: post #104

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You are mistaken. If there's someone on the internet that agrees with me, then I'm surprised! I composed it myself, and I didn't refer to other sources. If I quote someone else here, I put it in quotes.

"Actually, it's a trilby" is a point that was made already 10 years ago when fedora hate was at its peak.

Imagine there's a meme called "ignorant Ferrari guy" but in the meme he's actually driving a Porsche. That's what the fedora guy meme feels like to anyone who knows anything about hats, so of course this point gets made over and over again.
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