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For some reason it's a big national security concern when Chinese companies collect data on US citizens, but when Europeans apply the same caution with American companies, people across the Atlantic see it purely from a business perspective. Why is that? This isn't TikTok and what people do on their private phones. This is a foreign company that has the capability to siphon off a lot of data about business decisions,…
> Why is that? because china is a totalitarian country and the us isn't
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#182Any attempts to appoint new leadership to reform the existing corrupt agencies will most likely end up being sabotaged from within by bureaucrats who gain from the system remaining dysfunctional. The only two ways you can effectively change it are:
- setting up complete new ‘start up’ agencies and appointing people to wind down and distract the power players in the existing ones.
- going full nuclear like Elon just did at Twitter and firing the majority of the workforce
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#183Problem as always is, it's all talk and (almost) zero enforcement in Germany. Complaints to a data protection official take forever, are usually dismissed at first, even if counter to published opinions or decisions such as TFA. And only if you still care after a few years of waiting and at least one appeal you might get a decision, however usually a very cheap one for the perpetrator.
Who would have thought that uploading business data (trade secrets) and personal data straight to servers that are known to be accessed by the NSA would be incompatible with GDPR? /s The kicker is that EU companies are essentially paying to upload their trade secrets to their direct competitors in the US.
We're a minority
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - a court forces a public institution to cease using Office365 (no fines possible there) AFAIK, in Norway, most fines have been directed at public institutions.
Don't know about Norway. But whether fines apply to public institutions is up to the member states, and most member states, including Germany, have decided not to fine their public institutions for GDPR violations.
Because they’re too Byzantine to make enforcement practicable, or because they’re not seen as a privacy risk (the government in Germany should know lots about you), or something else?
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
For some reason it's a big national security concern when Chinese companies collect data on US citizens, but when Europeans apply the same caution with American companies, people across the Atlantic see it purely from a business perspective. Why is that? This isn't TikTok and what people do on their private phones. This is a foreign company that has the capability to siphon off a lot of data about business decisions,…
> Why is that? because china is a totalitarian country and the us isn't
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#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone in Europe would like Europe to innovate more. Unfortunately every time European governments add more regulation they usually also make it harder to do that. You need to find the sweet spot. Too little regulation is harmful. Too much regulation is also harmful. The EU and US are near opposite ends of the spectrum at the moment and neither is an ideal place to be. The US produces many more financially successf…
I don't agree with everyone in Europe wanting to innovate more. I'm a Bulgarian citizen and from my PoV a small group of people only want to innovate. One good thing that I've noticed is that the snowball here is slowly spinning up - we have a good university trying to be on a IVY league level as much as it can (for Bulgarian levels it's good, for EU maybe just about average) which teaches people tech or whatever the…
Fight tooth and nail to preserve this. We're living in the future here in USA, trust me on this, gig economy and corporate churn sucks. You don't want to get on this ride.
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft products haven't really changed in 20 years. What are you referring to? The fact that you can access them anywhere?
Can you clarify your usage of Office products? I'm assuming that 100% of people saying "it's fine we have LibreOffice" or "it's fine we have Office 2014 installed locally" don't use it beyond basic PowerPoints and the occasional resume update on Word. Just as an example, the world pretty much runs on Excel, and each version brings valuable additions.
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#188These people keep acting like they're so clever for figuring this out, yet in reality all they're doing is giving death sentences to European companies by making them unable to use industry standard products.
Monopoly is not the same as "industry standard". And specifically in the case of Microsoft Office / O365 there is very little actually benefit of using it over any of the more open (and even free) alternatives... rather than being an "industry standard" it's really just an "industry default", i.e. what most companies use because no IT manager ever got fired for deploying it.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I understand the hope is that companies will comply rather than forego the entire European market, but if they don't, the last consequence is ultimately on the consumer, not the company. Essentially you are asking „why should a government expect anyone to follow the law“
It's more "why should a government expect any foreign company to follow the law". Personally I run a small business, GDPR came out, our solution is to just violate it and not care. They have no legal jurisdiction over us so their laws do not matter. If we had to comply with every jurisdictions special laws on the entire planet we'd surely waste most of our time doing it.
Nobody is telling MS what to do in the US.
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#190finally, this is really great news for anyone european, I hope it won't take long to determine there are a whole lot of other MS products that should also be illegal
How is that great news? The competition is literally decades behind. This is crippling Europe.