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You think copilot is self-sustaining/profitable?
copilot hit $40M ARR in the first month: 400k subscribers * $100/yr https://www.ciodive.com/news/github-copilot-microsoft-softwa...
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plus, again, they had zero developer trust because of all the ultra shady stuff they did
What shady stuff they did?
https://qz.com/1043614/this-startup-learned-the-hard-way-tha...
This seems to be very much the standard story for "AI"; not quite there yet. Given the history, it's, er, surprising that people are constantly surprised by this.
"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…
https://github.com/community/community/discussions/7553#disc...
https://www.reddit.com/r/vscode/comments/qromfk/is_there_a_w...
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plus, again, they had zero developer trust because of all the ultra shady stuff they did
What shady stuff they did?
"Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Their manager might, but engineering managers only want to pay for discrete new capabilities, i.e. making their developers 18% faster when writing code did not resonate strongly enough." I never used Kite, but I've tried Github Copilot twice, and found it marginal at best (and distracting at worst - which is why I turned it off both times). If Kite wa…
Maybe the product is poor. Maybe people didn’t believe the claim. But nobody said, “nah I don’t want my devs to be 18% faster.”
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Loads of devs I’ve spoken to, from junior to principal level, absolutely love Github Copilot though. Don’t know who is paying it for them, nor if Kite was significantly worse, but I think that at least Copilot has a brilliant future ahead of it.
It's interesting, the ones I've spoken to are extremely suspicious. "GitHub Copilot blocks your ability to learn." Is a common refrain. I don't see ANY industry-wide consensus on whether GitHub Copilot truly helps developers right now. The only scenario I can get anyone to agree on is generating templates. Aka, JSON or CSS files that you then edit.
- learning a new code base
- learning a new (popular) library
- learning a new language
You could compare it to, say, eslint but for other languages .
What is an idiomatic way of X with Y?
Well, copilot will give you the answer in 10-30 seconds less time than opening a browser and searching.
Im not going to argue it’s legal merits, but as a learning tool, it’s very much like having a smart linter.
The larger scale code generation is less obviously useful and usually wrong, I agree.
I don't pay for Kite (or any other proprietary developer tooling like Github) because one day your company can choose to shut down, change its terms, or raise my prices and I'd be left without recourse, while also being locked in to a proprietary workflow. Just like you did today, which validates my hesistation.
Kite should have been open source from the very beginning. I hope the team can take away this learning for their next startup. I applaud teams like GitLab who build entirely in the open--and, as a result, have highly successful products and businesses.
Even plain old Jedi was a decent competitor to Kite.
So you we're no beat by billion-dollar CoPilot I'm afraid...
“Our 500k developers would not pay to use it. Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools.” I don’t like depending on something I could lose in a month or tethers me to the internet. I consider that more a service than a tool. I’d prefer to just buy something once that just works, but that business model might be dead too since people will pirate things that aren't tethered to some serverside com…