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Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#181

Highly recommend the 2020 film by Pixar: Soul

I highly don’t recommend the 2020 film by Pixar: Soul.

Are you excited to get to know all about an aspiring jazz pianist who is trying to make it in nyc?! Well tough luck, that’s not what this film is about. Instead, after getting hooked on a character and his goals, you are instead treated to a 30m-1h sequence of “lessons” (similar to a video game tutorial that’s overstayed its welcome) about how this meta afterlife world works. Everything is explained. But the explanations suck. But I’m not even here to start taking notes on the mechanisms of this after life world (which end up being broken anyway). It’s very… boring.

The best parts of the movie are in the real world. Who is this guy? What’s his life like? What are his dreams, how does he fall short? Those are also the shortest parts of the movie.

The movie is mainly the main guy running and bouncing around trying to get back to the actual interesting part of the film.

The after life world characters are bland. They are mechanical (on purpose), which makes them difficult to connect to. I had no sympathy for their goals and struggles.

Overall Soul is a big miss for Pixar. And I love Pixar. I can see what they were going for, they wanted to make a movie about life, death, purpose, etc. This movie is not that. It’s a weird adaptation of intangible concepts personified but not done well. It’s also way too much like Inside Out, which was better (but also not anything amazing).

If you need your Pixar fix, I recommend: - Ratatouille - Coco - WallE

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#182
You'll know it when you see it.

In the meantime, have fun, take care of those you care about, and try to leave your corner of the world better than the way you found it. Cultivate a skill you enjoy. Touch grass and talk to people without a technological intermediary. That's not a presumptuous insult to your lifestyle, we all have to keep that in mind.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#186
This is one area thats very clear to me. You should search for not purpose but Meaning. Purpose is subset of the things that give meaning to life. Purpose is goal with meaning and is more action oriented. "man's search for meaning" by victor frankl is very good read in this area.

One should search for meaning and happiness will come as a by product. This is better than being hedonistic and searching for happiness.

There are 2 meanings implicit and third one you can persue. 1) Search for meaning is meaningful itself.

2) Human life has intrinsic meaning. I dont agree with nihilism that life has no meaning. Life has no 'given' meaning - correct. But since we are conscious, there is a living being going through experiences, there is intrinsic meanining to human life. Consciousness gives meaning to everything. In absense of consciouness, nothing has meaning. This intrinsic meaning is irrespective of life success. Even for a complete failure, since a real living being went through this life, the life still has meanining.

3) External meaning. This is related to success happiness relationships helping others etc. This is a bit fragile, since if you lose these things then you lose meaning. And if you are not successful, life might feel meaningless.

A healthy life is a balance of persuing external meaning and accepting and giving value to internal meaning.

note - This way of thinking is not happiness vs meaning. happiness is one of the things that gives meaning to human life.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#187

I think most people find purpose either in religions or in generalized religions (altruism, consumerism, political activism) or simply in having a family. Starting a family is definitely the safest bet, probably long term too because these ideologies tend to lose their appeal over time. But hey, I don't even seek happiness myself. I'd be glad to just know WTF all this was about before I die. Being some 10^28 particle…

Just to piggy back on this post, don't start a family because you want to find your purpose. Start a family because you want a family, no other reason.

To add to this, start a family because you want to nurture and care for a family - not just to 'have' one.

Children are not trophies or status symbols - they need care, love and attention, as well as independence and respect, to flourish.

If you have a family, their wellbeing and future should be your purpose.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#188
post #17

One notable person's answers to your question: https://sive.rs/faq I found them useful, myself. Derek's "Don't Be A Donkey" post is also applicable here: https://sive.rs/donkey Have you considered that the question may be a trap and/or pointless to begin with?

I have considered it, and that may be the answer. However, studies do show that "have a purpose" is correlated with happiness.

Cause vs correlation perhaps.

People with a purpose have less decisions to make on their own - their purpose directs them - and therefore they have less stress, and more happiness.

It's why many people are drawn to religion - it removes some responsibility and decision, and focuses life.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#189
One might view purpose as a property that every person has. It is a field that must be filled. Having an unfilled purpose field results in a feeling of emptiness which is unpleasant resulting in motivation to escape that feeling by finding meaning.

This is a poor model.

Viktor Frankl's man's search for meaning said that purpose is to live life as if every moment had purpose. At first I found that tautological and meaningless. Running on empty is a book that addresses this topic that I found very relevant and clarifying. It is a book about childhood emotional neglect. Effectively your parents probably didn't recognize your emotions and teach you how to handle them, they might not have seen you. This can result in extreme emotional repression, complete inability to manage yourself, counter dependence (being extremely against depending on anyone for anything), the feeling that if someone knew you they wouldn't like you, and a host of other problems. When you have blunted emotions, life feels empty. This emptiness is then interpreted as lack of purpose.

So you are asking a question that protects your ego. "Finding meaning" is the ego protecting version of "feeling less empty." Feeling empty is the result of blunted emotions. Blunted emotions are a result of lessons you didn't learn during childhood (that your parents might not have learned either).

This brings us back to Viktor Frankl's living every moment as if it had purpose. Living every moment as if it has purpose is equivalent to ensuring every moment is not empty which is equivalent to living a life for which the time you spend results in feeling. If you aren't consciously aware of your feelings (if your EQ is not high) or you are not able to manipulate them, it makes it really hard to understand what it means to be in search of feeling which makes it hard to grok what these "normal" people are trying to communicate when they say something like "live every moment as if it has purpose."

Feeling is purpose. Lack of purpose is lack of feelings -> lack of feelings is lack of purpose.

So what makes you feel?

This is solidly in the territory of a therapy level problem because if your emotions are blunted there is something you don't know you don't know because there is a host of things missing from your childhood. There are things that didn't happen as opposed to things that happened that were bad.

Running on empty was a pretty good book. It is worth a read to see if it resonates with you.

Re: Ask HN: How do I find my “purpose”?

#190

I may be a little late to the party, but I'd like to offer a few thoughts. I write this as much to clarify my own thinking as to possibly help you. Preface: I feel at peace, and guided by inner purpose now. Experience has taught me that all is fleeting, so I am quite confident there will a time where I don't feel this way. Therefore, take all I am about to write with a grain of salt, even as it applies to my experien…

This post really resonated with me and I sense a lot of commond ground in your world-view, confirmed by reading some of your other posts on HN. Super off-topic but I'd love to chat to you about your ideas on "government is a superstition", feel free to email me at wiriwiy221@lidely.com if you're interested :)

ah damn that mailbox doesn't work as expected :( feel free to email the one in my bio!
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