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Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

What are your others? I use signal alot personally and haven't had too many issues.

Although I use Signal, I actually prefer Threema which you can also use without a phone number.

https://threema.ch/en/home

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

What this is is also another reason not to use Snap. This is a multi-level failure. 1. Signal-Desktop is AGPLv3: https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Desktop 2. The snap package metadata is AGPLv3: https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop So, this looks like a fraudulent DMCA claim by Signal, as the snap package maintainers and Canonicial have an open source license! This shows malice by Signal. 3. No-one from C…

AGPLv3 does not somehow permit trademark violations. Signal has taken issue with third parties building binaries and calling them Signal, and I can’t really blame them. This is the same reason Signal isn’t in F-Droid

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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How in the world did a walled garden ecosystem like Snap manage to embed itself so deeply into Linux culture? There needs to be a user and industry revolt against Snap for this sort of shenanigans.

The snap distribution is unofficial. The Signal team only provides .deb files for Linux (seemingly built for Ubuntu Xenial) and any other distribution method on Linux is strictly done by volunteers.

If Signal is willing to leverage the DMCA to take down the Snap package, they could just as easily take down any other unofficial repository.

If you wish to solve this problem, write a letter to your favourite American legislator to protest the stupid way the DMCA is set up or contact Signal legal and tell them their use of the DMCA is bad for the open ecosystem that they operate in.

Someone freely choosing to grab an unofficial version of Signal from the store of their preference isn't the problem here.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Honestly not what I expected to hear about Moxie. Any more tales that back this up? If this line of behavior is true then I think it's time to move on.

Reading this thread is what convinced me to switch away from Signal and investigate Matrix: https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

Thanks, this was illuminating.

Ironically, from his website:

> In general, I hope to contribute to a world where we value skills and relationships over careers and money, where we know better than to trust cops or politicians, and where we're passionate about building and creating things in a self-motivated and self-directed way.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Well, I have been using Ubuntu for many years. This kind of thing, centralizing packages and removing one without explanation etc makes me think I should move on. I suppose the alternative is to switch to Debian? Or maybe there is something totally different that is becoming popular that I don't know about yet?

I also fled from Ubuntu recently due to Snaps, they are just plain terrible in every regard. I'm now much happier with Debian and Fedora when it comes to "plug and play" Distros.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Signal offers an official deb. The correct behavior would have been for third parties to not distribute trademark-infringing binaries and call them Signal

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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What do you recommend as an alternative?

keybase.io has been great, although it's not without its risks either since it was acquired by Zoom. It's still up and seemingly maintained but AFAIK there's no new feature work. I've heard WhatsApp recommended from people I trust, but I have never personally used it so can't speak from experience.

As a Facebook owned app, I don't trust WhatsApp.

All of them being tied to a phone number is bad form.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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post #117

How in the world did a walled garden ecosystem like Snap manage to embed itself so deeply into Linux culture? There needs to be a user and industry revolt against Snap for this sort of shenanigans.

The same was systemd did? The force of a multi-billion dollar company, where profit is far more important than doing it right?

Linux and OSS software became what it is, became the stable, secure powerhouse it is, literally dominating every aspect of computing, because profit was originally less important.

Look at Debian, which only ships when ready, and never ever to a fixed deadline.

Yet today, almost all private corps take and take and take, without every contributiong code and workers back.

Look at Ubuntu, a distro which literally could not even remotely exist without Debian, from which most of it is derived, and rebased to constantly.

To Ubuntu, a great leech of the OSS world, it is more important to give a crappy experience(snaps), than use Firefox LTS, for example.

Good grief.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

Moxies always been fairly dictatorial about Signal. no third party clients, no decentralization. im not surprised to see a DMCA at all. So far Signal is a centralized encrypted messaging app that includes its own cryptocurrency and wallet no one asked for, shills me for donations every other release, and begs me to invite new users despite deprecating regular SMS message support. if youre a threat-actor the most male…

Wait? Really? I've been out of the loop regarding Signal. But "crypto punk/anarchist" Moxie Marlinspike is using DMCA takedowns and doesn't like decentralization and 3rd party clients? I'm flabbergasted.

Re: Snap Store administrators removed signal-desktop from Ubuntu Snap

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Signal Snap Maintainer here, this is because of a DMCA takedown request from lawyers representing Signal. Canonical is currently working with them to clear things up. Canonical's communication to me was initially lacking due to issues in their process, the process has been amended and I'm back in the loop again.

Yet another reason not to use Signal. The correct behavior would have been for signal to offer an official snap or to contact the maintainer. Instead they send their legal team...

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