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Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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hey.com But very opinionated and no IMAP.

no IMAP means a definitive vendor-locking. Like Tutanota. You simply cannot escape and get your emails back if you want to change.

For what it is worth I have never had an IMAP export/import go cleanly. Hey offers you an MBOX/vcard export which is quite nice. I just do not use their service because the UI is hideous.

Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Okay, rather than just complaining, I suppose we should gather alternatives, right? mailbox.org hey fastmail tutanota mailfence disroot posteo barracuda (for businesses) vivaldi mail mailpile countermail hushmail I haven't used any of these, so if anyone has others or has experience with any of these, please share your experience.

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Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Yes, that's what I had in mind, I may be wrong though. Did any Brits have issues with eu domains after Brexit?

Yes, but that was due to Brexit. .eu domains may only be registered to a person or entity that exists within the EU. As soon as Brexit crystallised any British person or entity owning a .eu domain was unable to renew it unless they had an address they legally occupied within an EU country. I know a few companies who rented a small amount of office space in France so that they could retain their .eu domain.

I guess you can get a .eu domain for ten years. So that could be an option to make sure you have enough time to shift to another domain should your country leave the EU too. Assuming, well, that the EU won't take it away from you before the expiry date just because you lost your EU residence.

Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Does it - legally - matter?

For those who care about OSS and moving to Protonmail from bigcorps email, this _might_ matter, although I think that for the majority of Protonmail users (which doesn't care much about open source), it doesn't matter.

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Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Okay, rather than just complaining, I suppose we should gather alternatives, right? mailbox.org hey fastmail tutanota mailfence disroot posteo barracuda (for businesses) vivaldi mail mailpile countermail hushmail I haven't used any of these, so if anyone has others or has experience with any of these, please share your experience.

It seems most of the email services that give even basic protection of one's privacy are NOT in the United States.

If anyone here is looking for a business idea, I would absolutely sign up for an email service that is based in U.S. and provides a guarantee (in writing) that it 1) doesn't track the user across the web after they sign in to email 2) doesn't scan or parse data from emails in any way 3) doesn't sell any information it obtains from me or about me to any third party 4) doesn't make any of its money at all from advertising 5) maintains high operational security standards.

Notice that I'm not even asking for end-to-end encryption like Protonmail provides. I just want something that is in my home country's legal jurisdiction (for business reasons), doesn't track me invasively nor sell my data, and is well-run.

I believe a company could make a lot of money if they communicated this offering to the public and maintained a decent brand reputation.

Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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You have to pay to receive a service? Good heavens!

that's obviously a strawman. What's being critized is the heroin-dealer model of doing business, i.e. "the first dose is free" but you'll be locked in, which seems increasingly popular among a lot of services that try to compete with the big players.

Wouldn't comparing paying a few dollars to leave a service forever to a "heroin dealer" be the strawman here?

Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Nowadays they do provide an app (Import-Export) to export all your mail , even for free tier accounts, so it's quite easy to move away. See: https://proton.me/support/export-emails-import-export-app

Hmm. When I was using Protonmail in free tier, the Import-Export feature was only for the paid tier. Seems strange that they only opened it for free tier now. This should be a feature available to any tier in the first place.

I see it as a way of getting paid for the development of services. People willing to pay for an offering are more likely to provide quality feedback. Once it is stable there and dev time has been recouped, you can offer it to the free tier.

I actually don't have an issue with that. Once it is available to free tier users, it frees up the devs to go to the next item on the list once again only available to the paid users. Lather, rinse, repeat. Sounds like a fairly sound bizplan.

Re: Protonmail can delete the wrong email and nobody cares

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Some years ago, I evaluated Protonmail as a replacement for my personal gmail account. When came the steps "can I easily move from this service?", I realized you have to _pay_ to export all your emails from the service. They make it super easy for you to open an account and receive emails, and then makes you pay if you want to get a copy of your own data. I contacted the support to tell them it is likely illegal unde…

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