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Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by diffeomorphism »

ekianjo wrote: post #162
diffeomorphism wrote: post #147

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If it did matter there would be detail as to why. It doesn't. One of them was buggy, but again does not matter which one. > or should I just "git gud" The opposite. Just blindly click on one. If it works you are done, if not click on a different one. You are really, really overcomplicating this for no reason.

Nope, this is a very good point. Because for example you can't use Python/Selenium with a Flatpak version of Chromium, while you can with .deb version on Pop_OS. If you have no clue what the difference is between both of them, you would have no idea why it's not working in one case and not in the other.

Disagree. That is a bug that should be fixed, not ignored.

Same with selinux: Lots of "advice" was just to turn it off completely.

> You would have no idea why

Yes, file a bug to get it fixed instead of leaving other users standing in the rain.

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Post by edub »

agundy wrote: post #3

It sounds like they are taking a big bet on rewriting large components of the OS custom for Pop OS in Rust. I wish them the best but it sounds like a big commitment and I’m holding my breath for them to succeed. I’m curious how System76 sees Pop_OS fitting into their business model which is primarily hardware.

My guess is that they are using what would otherwise be a marketing budget. If that is the case, then I'd say it is worth it and working. I'd bet more people have heard of POP_OS then System76, which would increase exposure of their hardware.

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Post by sliken »

thisiswrongggg wrote: post #80
nu11ptr wrote: post #6

I really like Pop Os. I've always liked Debian descended distros, and prior to this I was using Ubuntu. While I like it, I always found a lot of rough edges esp. when it came to proprietary drivers, etc. where things didn't always work without some tweaking. Pop Os on the other hand seems to "just work" - it is like a polished version of Ubuntu with a nice selection of apps in the Pop Shop. Theme is pretty nice as we…

I'm curious. With all these debian-based distros, why people don't just use debian? I mean it has to be sturdier than the downstream distros.

I use Ubuntu because it is relatively current at release, has a very regular schedule, and my preferred LTS releases have 5 years of updates.

I occasionally talk to a Debian user. Ask how they handle their long term Debian use. Which usually takes them several minutes to describe. XYZ from stable, ABC from unstable, track the latest with foo from testing, and bar from backports. Basically they end up with a custom setup, unlike any other on the planet, and that hasn't been tested.

LTS on the other hand does get testing, generally I just apt install the packages I need, and then do-release upgrade every 2 years. LTS is popular enough that generally if I google the problem there's a quick fix, and a large fraction of LTS users don't seem to customize their repos to the degree that seems common on Debian.

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Post by ugh123 »

kovac wrote: post #75
ugh123 wrote: post #63

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Hah, I ran into that same upgrade breakage a few weeks ago too! I'm still cleaning up some of the mess but was mostly back within half a day.

What kind of break is this? Is it like you can't even boot into the tty, can't get from tty to graphical environment or just your user applications stopped working?

The first noticeable breakage was settings for VINO (vnc server) got reset and vnc was my only way to remote desktop in. I had to hook up a monitor, mouse, and keyboard to fix this. It also broke python somehow (I can't remember exactly what happened here) and caused a bunch of my build scripts to break. Fix was to re-install python3 and set alternatives.

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Post by sanroot99 »

colordrops wrote: post #36
myself248 wrote: post #27

I'm a Linux idiot, just got sick of Windows, and took the plunge in 2016. (After some ill-fated tinkering in 1996 with Slackware, but we don't speak of that.) I started with Ubuntu and had a pretty good time for a year or two, until a dist-upgrade broke everything. Luckily /home/ was easy to restore from backup. So I was fine for another two years on Ubuntu until another dist-upgrade broke everything again. Sensing a…

If you look at my comment history, you'll see I'm a bit of a broken record, but my records don't break anymore after switching to NixOS. It was precisely the breakage after every upgrade that got me to try it. With declarative config-based reproduceable deployment that can be rolled-back, the broken OS doesn't need to be a thing anymore.

I just found peace in using debain with bootable btrfs snapshots

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Post by JoBrad »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #24
JoBrad wrote: post #13

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Apple found business value in providing an OS that worked well with their hardware. I imagine the System 76 team see similar value. I recently installed it on an old ThinkCentre, and have been very pleased with it.

How did Bluetooth turn out for ya? I installed the OS on a ROG Zephyrus (Windows gaming laptop) and everything works beautifully (even WiFi) except for Bluetooth. It simply stopped working after a while.

I haven't had any issues with it, so far.

Re: 5 Years of Pop _OS

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Post by atomicnumber3 »

smallerfish wrote: post #140
hanifvirani wrote: post #55

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I have a XPS 13 and I had arch on it but it would drain power while sleeping. The laptop would be dead overnight. Tried a lot of things but couldn't fix it. Had to go back to Windows.

XPS 13 w/ Kubuntu and I don't have this issue.

I don't have it either, but I have heard of it. It's something to do with the kernel not being set to allow the s2idle power level. I don't know what triggers it, but setting some kernel flag forces it to show that sleep level which will then be used for sleeping.

A such-afflicted laptop will be missing the s2idle that you see querying /sys here: https://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/sleep-modes.html

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