I'm an Android lifer and Apple's refusal to open iMessage is why I will not own an iPhone. That said, I'd willingly pay $5-10/mth for iMessage on Android. Apple has a number of services on Android now (including Apple Music & TV), it irritates me to no end they refuse to support this
87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#182When I was a teenager and mobile phones became widely available everyone had Nokia, Siemens or Sony-Ericsson, depending on how well-off the family was, it was either the old or new model. But we customized the phones as much as we could - custom ring melodies, screensavers, custom covers, if the phone didn't allow that then at least some stickers. Everyone wanted to be unique, go against the social norm. Android phon…
Messaging network effects, if you're in an iMessage conversation and an Android user joins, suddenly the conversation becomes SMS only with photo and video sending being crippled.
Its the same as a social network, if all your friends use it, you almost have to in order to communicate with them.
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#183Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…
You mean updates that intentionally slow your device so that you will want to buy the new model?
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#184I tried avoiding the iPhone bandwagon for practically a decade, going from flip phone to the HTC Droid Incredible, to some HTC M , to Samsung S4, and then a series of Pixel phones, starting with the OG Pixel, and ending with the Pixel 3. I have to say: besides a few clunky swipe experiences, the iPhone is better in every single way. The camera opens when I click the camera button. The phone pairs wonderfully with my…
> ...Pixel 3. ... The camera opens when I click the camera button.
I still have a Pixel 5 and one of my favorite features is double pressing the power button to activate the camera. It works so well that my camera is ready to go before I have even focused on the subject. I don’t know if this feature is available on an iPhone.
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#185My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
iPhones aren't luxury in 2022. They cost no more than Samsung and Google models today.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
This seriously concerns me. I'm almost of the opinion that teenagers should not have phones for anything other than strictly communicating: voice and video calls and messaging. But that cat is out of the bag and now we have people growing up literally addicted to devices that are very detrimental to brain development and intelligence, emotions, socialization, etc.
I remember my parents saying that TV was going to rot my brain... then video games... before that it was comic books. Are there any reputable studies that show having a smart phone is detrimental to the health of a teenager? I've seen studies suggesting social media has a negative influence on the mental health of certain teens, but they aren't one and the same.
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#187This stuff scares me a bit, both because green bubble culture is creepy, and because I really do not want iOS to become the dominant mobile OS just as Android is becoming one of the most amazing platforms out there.
Would love to hear your thoughts on what makes Android "one of the most amazing platforms out there"?
I can run apps I download from anywhere I want, for one, like I can on laptop.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#188My two oldest children - 13 and 15 - have loudly proclaimed that having a "green bubble" would be worse than death .
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
You act as if they don’t make cheap and relatively accessible phones. They do. iphone se is a perfectly good phone that can be bought new for $400. Sure it’s not at the absolute bottom end of the market, but it is fairly accessible when you compare it to their flagship phones.
Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
We like to fingerwag at social media companies for knowingly negatively impacting children's mental health and self-esteem, yet Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. It's one thing to be ostracized by strangers on social media, it's an entirely other thing to be ostracized by your own friends and peers. The latter is tragicall…
> Apple is aware of how their systems ostracize children, in their own peer groups, who can't afford to carry around luxury phones. Tell me about it. Audi, BMW, Ferrari and Lamborghini have been ostracizing me, and so have all the gas stations around where I live! Not only that, but Microsoft, developers of pro software, movie theaters, restaurants, travel agents, lawyers and hookers! The nerve of them all to exclude…
I think people here take issue with the walled garden model of an intra-device comm protocol, not the price point or desirability of iPhones. The comparison to luxury cars is especially crude because it's an industry far more tightly regulated to the benefit of customers than any section of consumer electronics.
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#190Interestingly, I am a heavy Apple user, and I am trying to convince my teenage daughter and wife to use iPhone and have offered them iPhone and Apple Watch, and they have strongly preferred to stay on Android. I think it's unsurprising most people use / want to use an iPhone in the US, because it has a network effect with iMessage and it's clearly a superior experience for the average person. But, globally that network effect doesn't exist, so it makes sense in a more international sense that many people would prefer being in the Android ecosystem.
The claim doesn't surprise me, but I definitely think it shouldn't be taken as universal.