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One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by hallway_monitor »

derac wrote: post #163
joecot wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has nothing to do with "toxic femininity", it's classism. And no one's "banning" you from using this term, you're just getting downvoted for your performative "Cancel Culture" signalling.

This seems to be related to both gender roles and class. The culture around the male role in a diadic relationship is classist. I wouldn't use the term toxic femininity, but I think in spirit it has some merit. The complaining about what words you "can say" is annoying for sure.

Agree - you would never see a man turning down a woman because she had a different phone.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by coldtea »

alistairSH wrote: post #135
nottorp wrote: post #63

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Yeah, no one uses plain sms messages across the pond any more. And sms group chats? I only know about sms group chats from US posters. You can just assume everyone has Whatsapp here, and just message them over that.

How do you message when you don't have wifi/data? I can SMS from more remote places than I can any internet-based service.

In most of the world you do have either wifi or data coverage.

Usually, if you don't have data for signal (as opposed to run out of data in your plan) reasons, then you don't have signal at all, even for SMS, either...

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by somedude895 »

nrvn wrote: post #169

I have just compared the “gross” bubble from the article with my “real” bubble. Made a screenshot of both and used the ios color picker. “Gross”: #7EC170 Real from the bottom of the message reel: #65C466 Real from the top: #73E173 No issues with contrast in either case. Also keep in mind that those color hexes will slightly vary depending on where exactly you decide to pick since bubbles are filled with gradients. No…

Yeah seems really far-fetched. The whole idea that Apple did the green bubbles with the purpose of branding kids with Android phones as poor as some way of bullying them into getting an iPhone is borderline conspiracy theorist, possibly stemming from some anti-capitalist sentiment.

It's kids being kids and seems like an exclusively US thing.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by nerdponx »

travisgriggs wrote: post #44

This article is weird to me. On one hand, it’s interesting science about color perception. Good stuff. But on the other hand, it assumes an unsubstantiated motive for why it is as it is. I’ve worked with designers a bunch, and they have all kinds of reasons for why they choose as they do. I would not put this past apple at all. But given there’s no quotes from the original designers, I’d go with “Do no attribute to m…

> Do not attribute to malice that which you can attribute to incompetence.

IMO this is only good advice there's no obvious motive for malice.

When big corporations are involved, cynicism is absolutely warranted.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by dghughes »

culturestate wrote: post #173
joecot wrote: post #142

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You don't. But in the US I'm rarely in a place where I have no data but SMS still works. And Europe has more effective telecom service.

> Europe has more effective telecom service Some of Europe has very effective telecom infrastructure, but that's far from universal.

Cries in Canadian :(

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by sliken »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #154

Besides the cherry-picked colors of green from the top of the screen, the author assumes turning up the screen brightness reduces contrast in the same way that applying a brightness filter in photoshop does. That’s obviously not true - a given colorspace has less dynamic range if you make everything brighter in photoshop, but turning up your screen backlight brightness makes everything brighter by a constant factor,…

Assuming a perfect screen, yes. But at some point the brightest pixels on the screen will get no brighter, but all the other pixels will. So the dynamic range decreases. Similar happens when dim enough.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by candiodari »

samatman wrote: post #172
vachina wrote: post #137

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> pay less or none at all Maybe because there is always a free alternative that is better than yours. Whereas iOS users only has the App Store, and if they don’t pay they don’t get app.

Keep telling yourself a paycheck has no affect on app quality if it makes you feel better.

You can make everyone equal (and thereby eliminate "status") by making everyone worse off. For a lot of things that's exactly the choice society makes.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by kyledamon »

hallway_monitor wrote: post #181
derac wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be related to both gender roles and class. The culture around the male role in a diadic relationship is classist. I wouldn't use the term toxic femininity, but I think in spirit it has some merit. The complaining about what words you "can say" is annoying for sure.

Agree - you would never see a man turning down a woman because she had a different phone.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32765884 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32766998

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by MAGZine »

unknownaccount wrote: post #65
MAGZine wrote: post #36

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RCS has end to end encryption. When I text other android users, my messages are encrypted. When I text an iPhone, they are not. Stop supporting closed protocols and bad-faith actors.

RCS isn’t anywhere nearly as widely adopted as SMS, depends entirely on the carrier setting it up properly, and didn’t get end to end encryption until relatively recently. Many years after this whole green vs. blue debacle started. Once 99% of phones and carriers support RCS then maybe you could make this argument, but it won’t be for several years.

anecdotally, in the US/Canada, everytime I text someone running android, I get e2e encryption.

Most US carriers have rolled it out by now (or can be completely circumvented by using Android Messages app) and the green bubble teasing seems like a USA specific phenomena.

Anyhow, so what you mean to say, is that it's not about security (because it's present and accessible), but it's about appearances. And worst, the platform perpetuating the the appearances is not making any moves to secure it's messaging to non-Apple devices. Unacceptable.

Re: One trick Apple uses to make you think green bubbles are “gross”

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Post by protomyth »

chinchilla2020 wrote: post #118
oneplane wrote: post #39

This seems to be mostly a US American thing, mainly because of the same reasons BBM was a thing: lots of chats over SMS used to be a thing, and then chats over iMessage, which like BBM, you can only join if you have a device from a specific vendor. That means that you can only be in a special social circle if you buy the same stuff. That won't change because of some colours, because it's not the colours causing the t…

I agree that this is a middle school level analysis, but I've seen it a couple times in practice during my career. 1. In the dating scene, I have heard women remark that it was a red flag (Android users are stereotypically poor... despite a large number of techies using Android) 2. A manager at my old company was advised to get an iphone for communication with VCs. One of our old leaders had heard commentary from a V…

Its ever so fun to have to deal with middle school with green bubbles. Apple is directly responsible for some kids getting bullied, but I guess it works out for them since we had to buy some more Apple devices.
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