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Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

Even including the retail employees, Apple's footprint is barely double the size of Facebook.

I agree that it's really bizarre how wasteful FB's operations seem to be compared to Apple's.

What an unimaginative company...

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

#182

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

You’re forgetting that they also own WhatsApp, the primary mode of communication for several countries.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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post #182

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

You’re forgetting that they also own WhatsApp, the primary mode of communication for several countries.

I know it's grown since the acquisition, but how many people were involved in developing and running the service pre-Facebook?

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

#185

It’s crazy to me how Facebook has so many employees when their entire business is basically managing 3 software products (Facebook, instagram and the advertising platform). Meanwhile I think Apple has about the same number of employees if you subtract the retail Apple store workers. Yet, Apple’s business is comprised of managing, and this is only a rough guess: - 30+ hardware products and their supply chain, marketin…

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Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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post #161

The FAANG paradox : these companies all have this performance-intensive culture with the gruelling interview, "perf cycles", promotion processes, OKRs, etc... to ensure all engineers function at the top of their capacity. At the same time, their new public facing products have been mostly underwhelming over the last decade. It seems most of the innovation occurred back when FAANGs were 10-100x smaller. (The AI work i…

They hire the best people and then have them do effectively "menial" work - metrics reporting, etc. whilst strategy is decided by executives alone.

This makes them disillusioned.

I'm not sure what the solution is in big companies really, but it's a real problem when standard engineers can't get their ideas or features, etc. considered, or easily prototype stuff, etc.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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post #23

Facebook employs over 58K people. This is not a big deal especially considering tech went on a * massive* hiring binge recently. [0] Facebook had a recruiting crisis in 2021: https://www.protocol.com/workplace/facebook-docs-hiring-recr... [1] Facebook aimed to hire 10K Europeans for metaverse in 2021: https://www.reuters.com/technology/facebook-plans-hire-10000... People underestimate just how much COVID and the rapi…

In effect this is the end of covid season layoff. Peloton wasn't the only company who made investment mistakes during covid, just very visible. Many big companies greatly over hired during the same period. Now they need to correct course.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has been trying to diversify for over a decade. They are still mostly an ads company.

But many of the diversifications help cement the leading position of selling ads. Chrome, Android, Youtube are all critical to the continued success of ads.

It's even more direct. The diversifications are Google Ads, in a very real way. Google financial reporting splits Google ads revenue in an important way that hopefully allows people to see this. Total revenue of Google AdSense, on the non-Google internet, is about 7 billion. Nice, but Youtube ads is ~10% less than that ... and Google's own properties get 5 times more than that in ad income. Ads income from non-Google properties is called "Google network", ads income from Google properties is called "Google Search & other" in the financial reporting.

That's not even counting money someone actually paid to those diversifications, no ads involved. That's another 10-15% of the total ad revenue.

Google's internal websites, taken together, are just shy of 85% of their total ad revenue, and 90% of their total revenue. Google does not make that much money from people browsing the internet, it makes money from people browsing Google. Although not split out, it is widely assumed Google search is a whale here. But how much exactly? Not clear. People keep saying it's going down for a decade now. And of course, a business 1/10th as good as Google search is still a great business.

Yes, Google Ads receives the dollars, but it's the "diversifications" that "only cost money" that brings them in. Numbers like this make one thing clear, 7/8th of AdSense is a way to optimise ad income on Google's own websites, and only 1/8th of AdSense is an actual Ad Network. Google is not the biggest Ad Network, despite their reputation, by a very wide margin. Google is the biggest "TV Network".

So saving money on diversifications as a whole ... I'm going to say this is not what I'd like Alphabet to do. Now saving money on specific efforts, sure. But, frankly, the way to grow Google, even their ad business itself, it to spend more money on the diversifications.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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post #161

The FAANG paradox : these companies all have this performance-intensive culture with the gruelling interview, "perf cycles", promotion processes, OKRs, etc... to ensure all engineers function at the top of their capacity. At the same time, their new public facing products have been mostly underwhelming over the last decade. It seems most of the innovation occurred back when FAANGs were 10-100x smaller. (The AI work i…

I don't think internal company culture is the problem. The problem is that a lot of these companies' consumer products are based on the "attention economy", and the market has finally adjusted to see these things for what they are (essentially a system to put more ads in front of eyeballs) and thus considers them "underwhelming".

The "A"s in FAANG which aren't based on the attention economy (Amazon, and Apple until very recently) don't (yet?) have this problem.

Re: Facebook reportedly laying off thousands of employees

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post #6

The more precise title from the referenced article from two days ago: > Facebook is conducting 'quiet layoffs' by urging managers to label a certain number of workers as underperforming. The moves may lead to thousands of job cuts.

Isn't this illegal?

Like redundancies are treated differently from firing due to failing job duties normally.

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