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OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by Zverik »

lucb1e wrote: post #81
hashtag-til wrote: post #4

I wonder how to go about to collaborate to the OSM ecosystem with code. Does anyone know what are the cool projects within OSM in C/C++? (i.e. not web stuff)

The biggest help one can probably be to the project is to create or improve user-facing software. OsmAnd is still clunky and ugly to the average person coming from FAANG Maps, for example. The iOS version is even worse. Some alternative apps exist with better UX, but they're often missing features. There are also some web projects out there that aim to be a google maps website replacement, but none of them are quite…

Try Organic Maps (fork of maps.me): https://organicmaps.app/

It of course lacks many features of OsmAnd, but you can't have both. UI issues of OsmAnd come from its features.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by Zverik »

N19PEDL2 wrote: post #22
idealmedtech wrote: post #8

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There's lots of mentions of Maps.ME, which is no longer open source. The spiritual successor is called Organic Maps

I use Maps.me as my main map and navigation app as I don't like that Google knows where I go, and I can say that it's a very good alternative to Google Maps. However I have to say that now I'm a little worried because it's Russian-owned. Happy to know that there's an open-source alternative.

There is an open source fork of maps.me maintained by original authors, who are not russian: https://organicmaps.app/

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by ygra »

osmsucks wrote: post #175
ygra wrote: post #156

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The devs are unwilling to automatically split changesets spatially. The main reason is that the app is intended to be used on foot, maybe bike, mapping only a small area and doing all that on the ground where you actually are. So mapping from images or memory runs afoul of that intention anyway. Granted, that still doesn't solve the case that you may have no connectivity and are basically forced to upload a big batch…

> On the other hand, despite how angry the changeset comments may read, this isn't a big deal. Then why be angry about it at all? It either is worth gatekeeping about our not, decide. > Globe-spanning changesets happen all the time I noticed! But this only makes it worse. That's precisely my point: the requirements are there but can't be enforced and then the matter is addressed with... hostility between contributors…

I don't really know. There are guidelines and promoting those guidelines to new users can be beneficial. I do sometimes comment on changesets by other users where this happened with the use of normal editing tools (iD, JOSM) where some more care can really be taken (JOSM even warns about large changeset boundaries). But I try to phrase it as a friendly reminder, not so much a broken rule.

Some things like reverting vandalism or fixing large geometries like coastlines or motorways often make large edits necessary anyway. And often it just happens by accident. I have added some cleanup changes to the wrong changeset more than once and then got a changeset for a whole continent. The immediately visible history on the OSM site soon ceases to show that changeset and another will take its place, so personally I don't see much of a problem to get worked up about.

So my stance is basically: It happens, we can't really prevent it anyway (although I'd love a spatial auto-split in StreetComplete and JOSM – Every Door has it, I think), and as long as the norm is that people try to make smaller changesets, I guess we can live with that.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by ygra »

zaik wrote: post #164
petesergeant wrote: post #94

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Every time I see this I seriously consider buying a cheap Android device to play with it

For Apple phones there is also the recently published Every Door app: https://every-door.app/ It'a however a little bit more technical and not all gamified and glossy.

I am always amazed at the effort in UX that StreetComplete has taken. Which sadly is also a reason why rewriting it in something that runs on iOS is a major undertaking. And replacing all those beautifully-designed quest screens with simple key-value pair tables is obviously not a suitable replacement.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by marginalia_nu »

MayeulC wrote: post #148
marginalia_nu wrote: post #45

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I've found that about 80% of the bullshit my search engine crawler finds is on Russian and Chinese IPs (especially the Alibaba Cloud). Not that there isn't legitimate content, but there seems to be very little effort put toward policing the bad as long as it primarily targets a western demographic. This is not by any means a new development.

Oh wow, I was looking for your search engine a few months back, but couldn't recall the name, and my searching turned up nothing, even here on HN somehow. I just came across the open-sourcing blog post. Thank you for doing this. Search is something I'm quite interested in. Is there a public mailing list somewhere to discuss marginalia-related stuff? I'll probably look into contributing at a later point (I've also alw…

I'm still working on how best to run this as an open source project. No list or anything just yet. I'm half considering moving onto github from git.marginalia.nu; but still ironing out the details. Also a lot of rough edges to smooth when it comes to contributor experience, running the thing still requires a lot of awkward manual steps.

If you want you can pop me an email (see my profile) and I'll let you know when the details are more clear.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by specialist »

solardev wrote: post #167
specialist wrote: post #114

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Emphatic agreement. I was doing CAD & GIS in the 80s. We certainly foresaw this stuff. Even so, I'm just gobsmacked by the number and quality of all the map & GIS systems.

Was ESRI the industry titan back then too? These days there are a bunch of open-source/open-data initiatives and they're making it MUCH more pleasant to do GIS, thankfully.

To my knowledge, yes. But noob me was only aware of PC-based software. There were probably more options on beefier hardware (workstations, minis, mainframes).

> making it MUCH more pleasant to do GIS

Totally. Back then, everything was all but bespoke. Almost zero interop. It was a huge hassle. Now GIS can be just a feature set on top of a proper database. Something like PostGIS was inconceivable to me back then.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by teddyh »

yaddaor wrote: post #118
teddyh wrote: post #68

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Important clarification: OsmAnd~, installed from F-Droid. Do not install OsmAnd straight from the default app store.

Or do, if you want to monetarily support the developers in a convenient way.

If by “support” you mean “get nagged about the ‘pro’ version incessantly”.

Re: OpenStreepMap 2012 vs. 2022

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Post by lucb1e »

Zverik wrote: post #181
lucb1e wrote: post #81

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The biggest help one can probably be to the project is to create or improve user-facing software. OsmAnd is still clunky and ugly to the average person coming from FAANG Maps, for example. The iOS version is even worse. Some alternative apps exist with better UX, but they're often missing features. There are also some web projects out there that aim to be a google maps website replacement, but none of them are quite…

Try Organic Maps (fork of maps.me): https://organicmaps.app/ It of course lacks many features of OsmAnd, but you can't have both. UI issues of OsmAnd come from its features.

That's one of the ones I had in mind when writing my comment. Thanks for the hint, though :)
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