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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by drexlspivey »

brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

My main issue with Mastodon is that your identity is tied to whatever instance you signed up with. So if I sign up at example.social I will be bob@example.social. If the moderators ban me or the instance stops working I am losing all my tweets and followers.

Ideally you would sign up with your own domain (bob@mydomain.com) and point some dns records to whichever instance you want, this way you stay flexible and you own your identity.

There is a github issue for this that is open for 5 years but not much has been done https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by checkyoursudo »

qznc wrote: post #72
api wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pretty hard for even CEOs to control direction sometimes especially in big companies. A company is like a cthonic beast with many writhing tentacles that is in fact composed of thousands of cats. A black mass of cats, writhing, seeking, crawling toward anything that will increase its share price or get a cat promoted…

Companies are AI. http://beza1e1.tuxen.de/companies_are_ai.html

If companies, then why not clubs, teams, cities, nations, the earth? There is a certain amount of intelligence, sure, or so it seems.

Collective intelligence, or maybe a hivemind though that seems a step too far, seems like a closer description than AI. From TFA, I'm not sure I actually agree that 'we can certainly agree that companies are "artificial" in the sense that humans made them' is the fundamental aspect of what 'artificial' means in terms of AI. I would argue that artificial here means more like artifact rather than simply human-made. Companies are not embodied in any artifact, whereas I think AI will surely have to be. Companies are diffuse and reliant upon actual humans to do the thinking, even if no single human "thinks" for the company. AI will rather be intelligence that is not natural and embodied in an artifact (and probably made by humans). Or many artifacts, as there could be collective AI as well.

Anyway, interesting idea. I'll have to think more about it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by prepend »

www_harka_com wrote: post #134
brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

Can someone invite me to mastodon.technology? Email on my profile.

I like your earnest request.

I’ve followed mastodon for a while but have never known anyone else who uses it so didn’t get into a particular server. All the public servers didn’t really seem interesting to me.

So this seemed like a problem for me as a loner as the people I actually knew weren’t going to join.

Twitter, for all its flaws, is dead simple to join and start yelling.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by nashashmi »

swalsh wrote: post #150
kidsil wrote: post #131

Reading this conversation reminded me of something Steve Jobs once said: "Everything around you that you call life was made up by people that were no smarter than you and you can change it, you can influence it, you can build your own things that other people can use. Once you learn that, you'll never be the same again"

Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk…

Excess Intelligence is like weight weighing you down and preventing you from movement.

Intelligence when you are moving fast is like energy and it helps you move faster.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#185

Post by WHA8m »

imjonse wrote: post #33
lm28469 wrote: post #12

> I intend to do this work and fix our mistakes Sounds like every other billionaire who once they have one foot in the grave rediscover themselves as philanthropists... You can't fix it Jack, you fucked it up big time and shitting out yet another platform won't ever make it better

> Sounds like every other billionaire who once they have one foot in the grave rediscover themselves as philanthropists... Or like most US presidents discovering the war on drugs is a scam and the military-industrial-entertainment complex is out of control only after they leave office...

Remember, this was not intended to be public. You read this as a public statement when it's really just a leaked chat conversation. Your version might still be true, but this is not proof for it.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by mola »

There's an axiom in discussions here where Twitter needs saving. Why? In what way is it non successful? In what way is it broken?

I mean most Twitter discussions I ever saw are disgusting or plain dumb mascarading as profound.

I don't think the medium of a public square like that is a good thing, and I would be happy to see its demise. But it seems successful in the way it usually lead the public discourse similarly to how newspapers did. So what's exactly wrong with Twitter from that perspective? It seems very successful.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by birdman3131 »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #167
SilverBirch wrote: post #156

I think to a certain extent there's an overwhelming culture in the SV VC world of being completely credulous. That exchange just seems like a uniquely weird situation of two people talking absolute bollocks and neither being willing to mention the elephant in the room. It's no wonder the second their plan hit the real world it exploded on impact. You would have thought the guy who ran twitter would actually understan…

Consider they're at least somewhat aware this conversation would be subpoenaed during a lawsuit should the acquisition go sour. Musk's "can we talk on the phone?" means "tell me more, but without the evidence trail"

It can mean that or more likely means "We have gone past the usefulness of async short texts as a means of conversations."

Text/tweets are useful but are sub optimal for actually discussing stuff like this. Voice is so much better in this case.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by evancox100 »

throwaway0asd wrote: post #90
MomoXenosaga wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no solution for fixing web communication that doesn't involve uploading your ID every time you post something. The internet was, is and always will be a cesspool. It comes with anonimity and plausible deniability.

Anonymity is a design choice of HTTP. What if there were a different protocol where the users are never anonymous. You never have to transmit ID in that case because sockets are only established between trusted end points

“Trusted” in what sense? Uploading your ID is a form of trust verification, trusting that the person posting is who they say they are.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Cwizard »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #161
swalsh wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intelligence has diminishing returns. Not enough, and that is a problem, but as you get more it becomes worth less and less by itself. The most valuable commodity in our economy is productive attention. A dude with a 105 IQ who "grinds" 16 hours a day will out-compete a dude with a 130 IQ who has a million ideas and thoughts, but can't grind them to reality. Of course someone who is high in both, can become Elon Musk…

You forgot the bit where you inherit an apartheid emerald fortune.

I will be honest, even if I would inherit a fortune 2x as large I would still not be able to achieve what that guy has done. Impressive regardless of any inherited ‘privilege’. Sure he is a little weird but who isn’t.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

#190

Post by karaokeyoga »

qznc wrote: post #74
dreamer7 wrote: post #41

The chat thread looked so farcical that I had to double check it wasn't a parody account. Is it possible the text has been edited? It just looks too scripted, especially since Jack Dorsey had shared his thoughts regarding Twitter being intended as a protocol publicly.

It feels too clean to me. No typos, no emojis, correct punctuation…

"hard set up"
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