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The Ethereum merge is done

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Re: The Ethereum merge is done

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post #96

Does this make ETH useful in the real world or is it still a tehcno-ponzi scheme?

It's still not really used for anything that really matters to anyone (in a business sense). Until now the high cost and low transaction volume meant that it was just not really suitable for its intended use as a transactional store of ledgers of stuff unless the stored entries were extremely high in value and relatively rare.

But on paper building something useful now is a bit easier as transaction cost is likely to come down and the network should support a more reasonable transaction volume.

When your global transaction volume per hour is capped below what even a small web server running on a tiny computer would easily handle, there isn't much you can do with it in the real world. And when those transactions then cost you tens/hundreds of dollars and take minutes/hours to clear, any utility that might exist goes out of the window. It's a complete non starter for anyone looking to do some transactions that actually have business value. Why would you? It's many orders of magnitude worse than what a plain old database gives you on all relevant dimensions.

That was the status quo up until the merge. Now that that is in the past, we'll see. I personally doubt Ethereum will be the tool of choice for this kind of thing. If you are serious about building something that does something useful, there are better tools available.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#182

Great! Unlike BTC the miners can sell their gear so they are not down on their investment.. I imagine BTC miners putting up a good fight if this was on the table and they stand to lose all their asics

Is there a real proposal to turn BTC into PoS?

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#183

This doesn't really change anything, I still cannot find any legitimate use cases for blockchain, Proof of Stake or not. I would happy to be proven wrong, but this is extremely rare as I can't find any legitimate actual useful use case since Bitcoin and Ethereum's existence.

The main use case for a block chain is to ensure that a ledger is valid and not tampered with.

The reason we want public ledgers is to keep track of financial transactions securely.

Why can't we just use a bank? At some level there needs to be security for the bank's database. Blockchains are generally considered the best way to do this. So when legacy financial databases are replaced in recent years blockchains are often considered.

Public blockchains are even better because they ensure the validity of the overall system.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The validator is randomly chosen, no? So we essentially have a lottery as a banking system now?

Worse: a lottery for the rich. Validators are required to stake at least 32 ETH (~$52k USD) to participate.

This is categorically incorrect. You can have any amount of ETH (up to 32 because there's no value in going higher) and be a validator participant if you partake in a pool.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll still use that 0.5% for something else, right? It's not as if power generation (and emissions) will be reduced.

Energy generation changes depending on energy usage. The grids around the world are highly flexible (in relative terms) so when energy usage goes down, less energy is produced and vice-versa.

No, what happens is that the price per kWh drops.

The only way production drops is if that takes the price below the point of profitability.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#187
post #28

> The Merge is one of the largest technological events in the industry to date. I feel kinda ashamed. I work in the IT industry and I claim to have knowledge about ("good") software engineering practices, distributed systems, compilers, algorithms, etc. Nevertheless, I didn't understand a word of what the article is saying. Could you recommend serious references (preferably books and not random blogs) I could read to…

I wouldnt worry, the whole system up to this point has used "technobabble" as a means to confuse and impress outsiders. When reading up on it, there is no meaning to find besides "yep, its a linked list allright".

The internet is fundamentally little more than the ability to send 1s and 0s from point A to point B.

So you mean like me calling you and saying 0 1 0? Well, yeah kind of, but faster! And we can even have conference calls! It's going to change the entire world! Yeah, ok... Well, I'm going to leave now. Wait, sorry... I mean I'm going to '0 1 1 0' now. Wow, I can feel the world shifting already.

The applications of a technology often are far greater than the most simplified fundamental upon which it is built.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I still cannot find any legitimate use cases for blockchain Blockchains solve the double-spend problem. Allows for scarcity in the digital realm. Ethereum is a platform for decentralized finance, anyone can borderlessly lend and borrow in seconds. Endless possibilities.

When will those endless possibilities meet reality though?

It's a reality to the people of Latin America who use stablecoins on Ethereum to hedge against their own country's inflation.

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The validator is randomly chosen, no? So we essentially have a lottery as a banking system now?

Worse: a lottery for the rich. Validators are required to stake at least 32 ETH (~$52k USD) to participate.

And more money at stake gives you more participation. It's not just a lottery for the rich, it's Capitalism unmasked

Re: The Ethereum merge is done

#190
post #35

The validator of the first proof of stake block earned just over 45 ETH as everyone clamored to get their transaction in this historic block: https://etherscan.io/block/15537394

the majority of transactions in that block paid about 0.01 ETH tx fee ($20). 4 transactions were over 1 ETH. 1 single transaction paid a fee of 37 ETH: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x5ad934ee3bf2f8938d8518a3b978e81f17... i’m thinking it was a single person who just really wanted to be the first tx on the PoS chain. i’m not versed to decode transactions well — i wouldn’t be surprised if it was somebody making a “first PoS…

Yes, it is this one: https://opensea.io/collection/thetransition
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