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Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Are they searchable and indexable? What made PHPBB and all that cool was that it'd turn up in search queries. As a hobbyist, this was an incredible wealth of information for me that has mostly dried up with the advent of walled gardens like slack, discord, etc. Some might point at BBS and IRC and say that those were the same, but I'd argue that they had lower volume, and less rich media, and I'd go one further to say…

On the modern internet, I don't know that being searchable and indexed is always a benefit. I like the idea of a semi-private space. I don't want people on the internet to be able to drudge up out of context statements I made 10 years ago by googling "site:discord.com ". I can tell a lot of people are the same way just by their behavior; the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say,…

> the discussion that happens on Discord is a lot different than anything on, say, HN or Reddit, and certainly Facebook or LinkedIn.

but plenty of it isn't, the growth of larger discord guilds necessarily changes that. discord has led to a net-loss for information sharing within the fighting game community, for example. join a half-dozen guilds, one for each game, your local group (and the local Smash scene doesn't hang out on the same guild as the anime fighters, etc etc), etc, and there's no way to search for questions across them, so everyone joins and has to interact with some bot to address FAQs or annoy the "regulars" or get shuffled off to some other chat room with its own anti-spam verification bot and its own document index and its own culture. you have to hope that folks have pinned messages to google docs you can still access with information about character matchups, frame data, etc ... and figuring out which/who to connect with to learn a new game is basically difficult to solve in this decentralized fashion after years of forums and wikis like shoryuken disappearing to be replaced with adhoc un-indexed chat rooms and google docs.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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I wholeheartedly agreed. Ironically, I already feel that Discord is a lot less private than IRC used to be. In a way, history not being accessible to those not currently in a channel is also a feature.

Scrollback is actually a permission that you can disable; but it's on by default and I've never seen someone turn it off.

im in a few servers with it off and it works really poorly. even switching between channels in same session, especially on web will instantly clear it, they seem to struggle with session management

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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> Those who don't understand the setup would carry on as they always had, many of those who do would find it easier to treat all alike This is exactly what used to happen on “legacy” forums, too. I’m all for reasonable guardrails[1] but at some point you have to just let people take some individual responsibility. 1. Alert users who are posting publicly, allow them to disable posting to public channels in their accou…

Right, they are. Choosing to communicate on a private platform such as Discord, rather than something public like Twitter or Reddits is exercising that responsibility.

> Choosing to communicate on a private platform such as Discord, rather than something public like Twitter or Reddits is exercising that responsibility.

I find it difficult to believe that people choose Discord over eg Reddit because they value privacy - you can create a private subreddit much more easily than you can create a new Discord instance. People choose Discord because they want live chat that works.

Anyone who is consciously choosing Discord for privacy reasons shouldn’t have a problem policing themselves when it comes to public vs. private channels, no?

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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> Discussion that happens on public forums usually sounds like everyone's at a job interview getting scrutinized by a potential employer. Which, in fairness, they effectively are. Maybe if you use forums with a real name policy? I wouldn't give prospective employers all my nicknames :)

Unfortunately there are whole services offered to find said nicknames and tie the crap back to your real name. Frequently used for high profile job positions and their “background” checks.

What could be a greater way to start a professional relationship than some cyberstalking... /s

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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What I hate more is more ppl are using discord as default support. IT moves to quick, and repeat questions and answers needs bot. It's easier for people to piss in the well because chat is so fleeting, can easily take conversations out of context with screenshots. I really miss the old school PHPBB forums which were "slower" and that was good for support from the vendor's point of view. Very few cases require real ti…

I don't think many people miss the dauys of PHBB in practice. Having to sign up for the hundred forum account, often needing admin approval before posting, etc.

> Having to sign up for the hundred forum account

On the other hand for just browsing around I don't need to sign up at all, and I can stumble across interesting things through either a web search or perchance a link from elsewhere. With Discord neither is possible, because it's all inaccessibly hidden behind a login wall.

Personally there are only a few forums I'm really actively participating in, but there are quite a few more I'm just happy to occasionally browse through, and quite a few more I just randomly stumble across while searching for information on whatever subject currently occupies me.

While having to sign up separately for every forum might be considered somewhat more of a hassle, personally I don't find it that annoying and in any case it's only every now and than that I actually feel the urge to actively contribute something.

The way Discourse (or Facebook groups for that matter) works on the other hand means that all the serendipity stuff of randomly stumbling across some interesting forum thread on a subject I'm interested in or a problem I'm having can't even happen in the first place because like I said it's all inaccessibly hidden behind a login wall.

So I'll gladly trade the "inconvenience" of separately run forums and even slightly annoying sign up procedures for being able to just casually browse through and being able to find them at all in the first place.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Have you considered simply not using a username that ties back to your real identity? I absolutely do not understand this need people have nowadays with associating their identity and personal information with online aliases and then complaining when people find it. Discord even allows using multiple accounts on the same client now.

> Have you considered simply not using a username that ties back to your real identity? I assumed it's been Internet 101 for several years now. To the point I don't remember when I used my real name on the Internet. And whenever I do, it must be a really important and a well thought-out reason. Moreover, I use a different nickname for every service so that if someone looks up dvfjsdhgfv they will only find HN and HN-…

In the 90s we were taught, never give out your name, your age, where you live, or anything that can be tied back to you.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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I don't think many people miss the dauys of PHBB in practice. Having to sign up for the hundred forum account, often needing admin approval before posting, etc.

actually many communities still using phpbb like nsxprime, ferrarichat i found that discussions were more civil, trolls were quickly purged and it was difficult for them to rejoin due to this admin wall. it created a nice garden effect against shill/ratioing where there is little to no barrier to creating mass number of accounts to impact opinions.

> actually many communities still using phpbb like

But the point of your complaint is that many communities have moved away from phpbb or similar type forums.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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There is talk about allowing public/discoverable servers to be indexed. I don't know when those plans might materialize, but it is very much top of mind for us that there is ever growing knowledge on Discord that isn't accessible via search indexes.

I'm already coming across more and more communities who say "For more information/to download the example files/to see our FAQ just join our Discord!", which is an immediate turnoff. I'm not going to "join a discord" just to see an FAQ or download some prerelease build or something else. Now even entire communities are going to move onto Discord and become completely unreachable for people like me who don't want to "…

I also feel that "just" is very much an understatement when it means "sign up for a service that doesn't play nice with anonymous networks (Tor) and often requires to share and verify your phone number".

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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Right, they are. Choosing to communicate on a private platform such as Discord, rather than something public like Twitter or Reddits is exercising that responsibility.

> Choosing to communicate on a private platform such as Discord, rather than something public like Twitter or Reddits is exercising that responsibility. I find it difficult to believe that people choose Discord over eg Reddit because they value privacy - you can create a private subreddit much more easily than you can create a new Discord instance. People choose Discord because they want live chat that works. Anyone…

I think people chose Discord because they want a private place to chat with friends.

Re: Forum Channels: A space for organized conversations

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I wonder why information-heavy communities chose "knowledge storage" in the form of Discord. Example: i'm looking to build a PrintNC - they've got a really good Wiki, however with all the options i'm a tiny bit overwhelmed, especially since for newcomers like me, there's so much to wrap my head around... Anyways, if i could look up the answers to my questions very probably someone has asked before on a forum, i would…

Is it possible to setup within two minutes forum that will be hosted for free and has decent interface with minimal ads (to the point that many will not recognize them as ads)? Right now Discord has great usability and many people have Discord accounts.

> has decent interface with minimal ads

For now, while they still in "bait mode". If experience has something to show in the web is that once they go into switch mode, the more and more ads will come, interface will become worse as in a bad Facebook clone, site will become intentionally unusable on mobile to force people to install the app (with even more ads and tracking!), every minimally controversial subject for the advertisers will be banned, platform will start requiring phone numbers ("It's just to prevent spam and recovery your password, we swear!!"), an algorithmically controlled timeline will appear to improve engagement, text or longer posts will be de-prioritized to give more visibility to low-effort easy-consumption meme-like content (that give more of the said engagement), and "out of community" content will be pushed into it.

Reddit is currently best example of this happening.

Am I too pessimistic? Nope, I just saw this happen too many times.

If you want to build a future-proof online community, be prepared to deploy and control your own infrastructure and lose the "easy to get" users. Won't the cheap and won't be easy.

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